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re: Pierre Thomas wants ~$7m a year
Posted on 5/29/10 at 9:33 am to THRILLHO
Posted on 5/29/10 at 9:33 am to THRILLHO
I say meet in the middle and pay both Reggie and pt 5.5 mil a year... If they don't like that then I'm sure there is a running back equivilent to them out there that would play here for 5 mil
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Posted on 5/29/10 at 9:58 am to THRILLHO
in other news
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Pierre Thomas is retarded.
Posted on 5/29/10 at 10:03 am to SlowFlowPro
7mil for a dude who hasn't made it through an entire season yet.
I guess that true postseason MVP shite went to his head a bit.
I guess that true postseason MVP shite went to his head a bit.
Posted on 5/29/10 at 10:07 am to BilJ
7M/year for a running back alone is insane...there are like 2-3 guys who are worth that
and even assuming everyone in the NFL was a free agent, i honestly don't know how long of a contract i'd give AD or CJ
june 1 cuts could make pierre obsolete. my fingers are crossed
and even assuming everyone in the NFL was a free agent, i honestly don't know how long of a contract i'd give AD or CJ
june 1 cuts could make pierre obsolete. my fingers are crossed
Posted on 5/29/10 at 10:28 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:slow down
june 1 cuts could make pierre obsolete. my fingers are crossed
Posted on 5/29/10 at 10:38 am to thornton42290
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this was his first good year.
the frick? There wasn't a better RB in the league the 2nd half of 08 when he actually got a chance. I dont blame PT in the least. He is in his mid 20's and has been very productive yet been paid like absolute shite. He has a small window to make life changing money and the fact that a guy his age, who has been MORE banged up and LESS effective is making exponentially more this year than PT has made for his entire career.
This post was edited on 5/29/10 at 10:46 am
Posted on 5/29/10 at 11:08 am to St Augustine
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There wasn't a better RB in the league the 2nd half of 08 when he actually got a chance.
I think that's accurate.
I'm not getting into this "which position is more important argument"; I'll just say that Thomas, like all of our RBs who know how to hit a hole, benefited from the fact that the OL has stepped it up in the running game. The fact that Thomas, Bell, and Hamilton were all fairly interchangeable last year indicates the OL is opening holes and creating sufficient running room.
There's not a doubt in my mind that we can replicate last year's running game without Thomas. Would I like to see Thomas gone? Absolutely not. Would I pay him $7 mill? Absolutely not. Would we have a significant drop off, if Thomas is gone? Absolutely not (again, last year pretty much proves that).
When you put Nicks into the game, there will be running room 90% of the time...I don't care who's carrying the ball.
This post was edited on 5/29/10 at 11:11 am
Posted on 5/29/10 at 1:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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june 1 cuts could make pierre obsolete. my fingers are crossed
No one would give up a second for him as an RFA, though. They probably won't get a pick with a value greater than one year's service from PT.
Posted on 5/29/10 at 1:20 pm to moneyg
quote:No, I would say you are showing yours, before Darren Sharper arrived last year what were the Saints known for idiot, burnt toast that's what. You are pretty much like the other 2 idiots on here, a certain position is a premium for certain teams, and it is the player that makes that position premium.
uh, DE is much more of a premium position than Safety. You are showing your ignorance.
you clowns know nothing about football, but accuse others of the same thing that is what is so funny. Pierre Thomas was a very productive RB for the Saints, not some scrub like some on here wanna make him out to be, he's the reason Reshard Mendanhall rode the bench at Illinios, so screw the undrafted status like some idiot mentioned earlier, I don't think he is worth 7 mil a year like I said earlier, but you can't blame the kid for getting all he can while he can.
Loomis tied up a 150 million dollars in 3 DE's, Smith, Grant, and McCray, and only one was worth a damn, got it, I doubt it.
This post was edited on 5/29/10 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 5/29/10 at 1:22 pm to tubucoco
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they won this year beause of a good running attack combined with the passin
And each of these things is dependent on the OL, especially the running game.
And if you need evidence that the passing game and defense were the biggest factors of our season, look at the NFCCG and SB wins: 41 rushes for 119 yards (2.9ypc), Brees with QB ratings of 107 and 115, Favre and Manning with QB ratings of 70 and 89, one turnover by the Saints and 7 combined by the Vikings and Colts.
Posted on 5/29/10 at 1:26 pm to tubucoco
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Loomis tied up a 150 million dollars in 3 DE's, Smith, Grant, and McCray, and only one was worth a damn, got it, I doubt it.
That's an issue with which players you're paying for, not which position you're paying for. The franchise tag cost of a DE is about $3m more than that of a safety, IIRC. The entire NFL feels that DE is a more important position than safety.
Posted on 5/29/10 at 1:27 pm to tubucoco
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before Darren Sharper arrived last year what were the Saints known for idiot, burnt toast that's what.
Sharper's arrival was beneficial, but so was the acquisition of Greer and having Porter back healthy again.
Posted on 5/29/10 at 1:28 pm to THRILLHO
that's not the point I'm trying to make, I'm sayin they both go hand in hand. If a opposing team knows you are one dimensional like all pass, they will shut you down, wheras the running attack opens things up for the passing game. the OLine the year before did not block like that and you know that, they came together last season and dominated at the point of attack unlike the year before, they were the reason Reggie got hurt the year before by getting hit in the backfield and required knee surgery.
the Saints improved defense was the main reason they won the SB last year, I know this, GW instilled an attack in them they didn't have before.
the Saints improved defense was the main reason they won the SB last year, I know this, GW instilled an attack in them they didn't have before.
This post was edited on 5/29/10 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 5/29/10 at 1:32 pm to THRILLHO
quote:I would say that is your opinion, and Loomis obviously pushing the panic button with Grant which caused him to have sign Smith to the same type of deal.
The entire NFL feels that DE is a more important postion than safety.
I would say a premium position is different on different teams, some need a good RB, some a good safety, some a good DE, some a good OT, and some a good WR. No one is greater than the other.
This post was edited on 5/29/10 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 5/29/10 at 1:34 pm to tubucoco
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If a opposing team knows you are one dimensional like all pass, they will shut you down,
The Saints had the #3 and #1 offenses in 2007 and 2008 with lopsided offenses. ]
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they came together last season and domianated at the point od attack unlike the year before
Yes, the OL was excellent last year, which is why the Saints should bypass paying PT $5m+ a year, get some cheap RB labor next year in the draft, and give that money to Nicks.
Posted on 5/29/10 at 1:38 pm to THRILLHO
The Saints had a top offense in '08 because Brees was forced to pass all the time, most of the time when the game was already over, and a lot of yards were mop up yards. '09 was a balanced attack.
PT, I think you are downplayin, he may not be worth 7 mil a year, but the kid is a hardworker, remember he ran tough his rookie year toward the end of the season when the Saints OLine blocked like crap.
PT, I think you are downplayin, he may not be worth 7 mil a year, but the kid is a hardworker, remember he ran tough his rookie year toward the end of the season when the Saints OLine blocked like crap.
This post was edited on 5/29/10 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 5/29/10 at 1:39 pm to tubucoco
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I would say a premium position is different on different teams, some need a good RB, some a good safety, some a good DE, and some a good OT. No one is greater than the other.
Safety is not a premium position. OL, DE, QB, and probably CB are premium positions. Sometimes players from other positions will get drafted high or sign a huge contract, but overall these positions are still not viewed as premium.
Posted on 5/29/10 at 1:41 pm to TexasTiger6777
yes, Greer and Porter are 2 good CB's, but if you don't have that good safety to cover deep when they get beat, guess what, they will still get beat. Bullocks and whoever else they had before Sharper were jokes.
This post was edited on 5/29/10 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 5/29/10 at 1:43 pm to TexasTiger6777
like I said a premium on a position differs from team to team, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
but you 2 guys make valid points, unilke the other 2 clowns.
but you 2 guys make valid points, unilke the other 2 clowns.
This post was edited on 5/29/10 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 5/29/10 at 2:06 pm to tubucoco
quote:
Pierre Thomas wants ~$7m a year
Well, on this one I have to side with the Special Man.
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