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re: Payton's Inexcusable Timeout Management
Posted on 11/18/13 at 4:05 pm to reddman
Posted on 11/18/13 at 4:05 pm to reddman
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3. You DO care what I think.
Exactly. Or he wouldn't have responded to you. This whole thread is just an excuse for the OP to call strangers stupid. Maybe that helps him in some way. It's kind of sad.
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Posted on 11/18/13 at 4:06 pm to Fun Bunch
Exactly.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 4:09 pm to TheSexecutioner
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He called a timeout on a play that was automatically reviewable in the first half.
Fair point
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Second half, he calls a timeout before Hartley's game-tying kick, effectively giving the 49ers the option to use the 2 minute warning to throw/run to the middle of the field and stop the clock.
Solid decision. Assuming a good field goal, the 49ers get the ball and have to run a play before the 2 min warning saving us a timeout if we get the stop. If we miss the field goal, we still have a chance to use our timeouts and 2 min warning to get the ball back.
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Then he inexplicably calls a timeout at 2:01 and some people are praising him for this? I know this board doesn't care about things like statistics and percentages, but he traded a timeout to save 1 second. Had Kaep not matched his bone-headedness by running out of bounds, we would have had no timeouts for the final drive.
This one is more difficult to tackle. By letting it go to 2 min, then you may have to call the timeout right after the 2 min warning if the 49ers run on 2nd down. If they run again on 3rd, then you may have to call that 3rd timeout to get the ball back. Calling it like he did, gave them the option to throw on 2nd down, but potientially saved us a timeout by thinking they probably would throw on 2nd down.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 4:16 pm to josh336
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but potientially saved us a timeout by thinking they probably would throw on 2nd down.
Your analysis was pretty good until this. Exaplain this to me. How would this save a timeout? It potentially saved a second, not a timeout.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 4:24 pm to TheSexecutioner
Think I confused myself. Basically, if he lets it go until 2 mins, with no timeout before, they may play it safe and punt to us with about 1:45 on the clock after rushing twice (us calling our 2 timeouts). But based on what happened, if kaep doesn't run oob after the 2 min warning, we call that last timeout with about 1:54 on the clock. So it can save you about 9 seconds. It doesn't save the timeout though. Either way, you assume you will have to use all timeouts to get the ball in your hands.
This post was edited on 11/18/13 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 11/18/13 at 4:25 pm to TheSexecutioner
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Second half, he calls a timeout before Hartley's game-tying kick, effectively giving the 49ers the option to use the 2 minute warning to throw/run to the middle of the field and stop the clock.
The time out was in case Hartley missed and we could get the ball back again. If by slim chance this isn't the case, then yes it was stupid.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 4:26 pm to dj30
Also, wasn't the timeout called at 2:11 and not 2:01?
Posted on 11/18/13 at 4:26 pm to dj30
Yeah, the timeout at 2:11 is easily defendable, the one at 2:01 I can see an argument for either way. I think the better bet would've been to wait until 2:00 and then call your timeouts, and not let them have the option to run/pass, but it did save us a few seconds.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 4:27 pm to Peazey
OP is right, but a lot of people (including myself) either don't care or give him a pass because we won and he's arguably one of the best coaches and playcallers in all of football.
Timeout in the first half was completely unnecessary
First timeout in the second half was also wasteful. The field goal team could have easily kicked that field goal before the 2 minute warning but instead we wasted a timeout doing so.
Second timeout was also pointless. All it does is allow the opposing team the ability to throw the ball without a negative consequence time-wise. If you wait till the 2 minute warning then they have to choose. If they throw it then you could possibly end up with 2 TOs for the last drive, but if they run it then use the timeout that you would have used before the 2 min warning anyway. The 3rd down play wouldn't have changed at all unless the result of the second down play was substantial.
Waiting to use the third TO was brilliant.
Timeout in the first half was completely unnecessary
First timeout in the second half was also wasteful. The field goal team could have easily kicked that field goal before the 2 minute warning but instead we wasted a timeout doing so.
Second timeout was also pointless. All it does is allow the opposing team the ability to throw the ball without a negative consequence time-wise. If you wait till the 2 minute warning then they have to choose. If they throw it then you could possibly end up with 2 TOs for the last drive, but if they run it then use the timeout that you would have used before the 2 min warning anyway. The 3rd down play wouldn't have changed at all unless the result of the second down play was substantial.
Waiting to use the third TO was brilliant.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 4:33 pm to GeauxPack81
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First timeout in the second half was also wasteful. The field goal team could have easily kicked that field goal before the 2 minute warning but instead we wasted a timeout doing so
So you would prefer to rush our struggling fg kicker onto the field for the game tying field goal? No thanks.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 4:34 pm to dj30
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The time out was in case Hartley missed and we could get the ball back again. If by slim chance this isn't the case, then yes it was stupid.
It's always smarter to use the TOs for when you are on defense. When you are on offense you can control the clock, but on defense you are subject to whatever the opposing team wants to do unless you have TOs
Posted on 11/18/13 at 4:34 pm to GeauxPack81
You say the second timeout was pointless, yet everything happened like CSP planned it. Because SF was so predictable on that 2nd down, our defense almost won the game on the next play with a safety. Granted, Harbaugh looking across seeing Brees ready to go to work put pressure on SF to go for the first instead of chewing clock. Everyone in the room I watched the game were expecting pass on second down. So were the Saints.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 4:35 pm to josh336
I don't know if Joe Buck knew something or was just thinking out loud, but right before the game winning kick, he said that SP took the timeout at 2:11 to keep Hartley from sitting through the clock running down and then the 2 minute warning. That he didn't want Hartley sitting around and thinking about the kick, so he called the TO and got him out there in "normal" time.
Seems as plausible as any other explanation we've kicked around here.
Seems as plausible as any other explanation we've kicked around here.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 4:36 pm to boonies
Another solid point, the Saints could pretty much pin their ears back on 2nd down with the timeout. Without it, if you drop everyone into coverage, and qb rush with your dlineman, Gore might get 15-20 up the middle.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 4:37 pm to OldManRiver
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I don't know if Joe Buck knew something or was just thinking out loud, but right before the game winning kick, he said that SP took the timeout at 2:11 to keep Hartley from sitting through the clock running down and then the 2 minute warning. That he didn't want Hartley sitting around and thinking about the kick, so he called the TO and got him out there in "normal" time.
Seems as plausible as any other explanation we've kicked around here.
Oh I know, thats reason A. Reason B is give you a chance in case he misses it.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 4:38 pm to TheSexecutioner
The timeout before the fg was to save time in case of a miss. The TO at 2:01 was to make them 1 dimensional and should have won us the game
Posted on 11/18/13 at 4:44 pm to TigerBait1127
nevermind
This post was edited on 11/18/13 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 11/18/13 at 4:57 pm to Eternalmajin
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I'd love to hear all of these people saying the 2:01 timeout was brilliant explain the reasoning behind taking it there and saving ONE second with a timeout. I get that it worked out in the end, but I still don't think a timeout is worth a single second there.
My gah you are pathetic and stupid here.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 4:58 pm to touchdown moses
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i fricking hate people
ikr..
it's just sad
Posted on 11/18/13 at 5:06 pm to macatak911
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He's not dumb, he's correct. I was pissed about the 2:01 timeout.
I'm late to this thread, but this stuns me. Mac, you're a lawyer / sports fan. What's the disconnect - how do you think this doesn't make sense?
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