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re: NOPD logs show no record of 911 call to report hit and run
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:04 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:04 pm to lsupride87
They warming that cell up for Hayes at the farm.
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:04 pm to lsupride87
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This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:04 pm to lsupride87
They warming that cell up for Hayes at the farm.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:04 pm to lsupride87
This is what I am getting at
It looks clear that the first call did not happen. However, whomever leaked the NOPD call log only leaked said information confirming the first call was not made, without confirming if the second call Fuller mentioned happened or not
If it turns out the 2nd call did happen, it appears that whomever had the NOPD log and leaked it, only wanted to show what Fuller was incorrect about, and not the entire info that the log presents.
I do not think the actual second call matters materially one way or the other.
Can you at least agree with that premise?
It looks clear that the first call did not happen. However, whomever leaked the NOPD call log only leaked said information confirming the first call was not made, without confirming if the second call Fuller mentioned happened or not
If it turns out the 2nd call did happen, it appears that whomever had the NOPD log and leaked it, only wanted to show what Fuller was incorrect about, and not the entire info that the log presents.
I do not think the actual second call matters materially one way or the other.
Can you at least agree with that premise?
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:05 pm to WhoDat37
quote:Then who released the log?
Certainly, but they have no obligation to release that information in the log.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:05 pm to MightyYat
This thread is actually a good little synopsis of "Lester Earl, The Will Smith Thread Poster"
Fuller: Hayes called 911 to report the H&R proving he is not the aggressor.
NOPD: No one called 911 to report a H&R
LE: I need to see phone records, the NOPD is likely lying! Rabble rabble!!
NOPD: Murder weapon recovered at scene. Warranted vehicle search in impound discovered 2 additional guns not used in the altercation.
LE: NOPD lied about he number of guns!! Rabble rabble!!!
He takes everything Fuller says as Gospel fact and never questions the integrity of Hayes.
Fuller: Hayes called 911 to report the H&R proving he is not the aggressor.
NOPD: No one called 911 to report a H&R
LE: I need to see phone records, the NOPD is likely lying! Rabble rabble!!
NOPD: Murder weapon recovered at scene. Warranted vehicle search in impound discovered 2 additional guns not used in the altercation.
LE: NOPD lied about he number of guns!! Rabble rabble!!!
He takes everything Fuller says as Gospel fact and never questions the integrity of Hayes.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:06 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Then why release the info confirming the first call wasnt ever made?
You mean the overall police call log for the day? Because that is public record.
Fields that identify personal information, such as a home address and phone number, are going to be redacted.
Same reason that SSN are redacted in public records
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:06 pm to lsupride87
only thing that matters is the 7 bullets in the back.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:06 pm to lsupride87
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:07 pm to bonethug0108
quote:
I choose to rarely engage poster unless to prove him wrong
You should have responded to me and proved me wrong then.
I posted 3 separate exerts from articles that claim Hayes call 911 after the shooting. You're wrong as usual
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:08 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Certainly, but they have no obligation to release that information in the log.
Then who released the log?
NOPD
I don't know how to make it any easier up understand honestly.
1. NOPD gets public records request
2. NOPD has an obligation to respond to said request
3. NOPD does not have an obligation to leave personal information, such as a phone number or SSN, in the request.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:09 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Im not saying it is a huge deal. It just seems odd the way the article confirmed one call did not happen, however, does not want to confirm the second call that Fuller mentioned
Once again, they said that NO ONE called 911 to report the H&R.
WE are interpreting that as Hayes did not call 911.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:09 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
posted 3 separate exerts from articles that claim Hayes call 911 after the shooting. You're wrong as usual
No you didn't, you posted one.
You have reading comprehension issues.
Tell me more about NOPD commenting
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:10 pm to WhoDat37
quote:Ok. So the info we have is from someone in the media that went through the log themselves, and saw in a certain timeframe a call was not made so they deducted that the hit and run call was not attempted.
You mean the overall police call log for the day? Because that is public record.
That seems accurate. And I would think good proof a call was not made assuming the log registers calls dropped like Gamble said.
The ultimate proof I would imagine that is used in court though would be the cell phone records once they are reviewed
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:12 pm to tigerbytail
quote:
only thing that matters is the 7 bullets in the back.
This only makes you look more stupid each time you post it.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:13 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Im not saying it is a huge deal. It just seems odd the way the article confirmed one call did not happen, however, does not want to confirm the second call that Fuller mentioned
If there would have been a call before the 2nd crash, it would have been confirmed that someone did call. Since there was not a log of a call made, it is confirmed no one made a call. They did confirm 2 calls after the second crash. You are hung up on not confirming who made the calls. Like stated earlier, they might not have had that information. So, they can confirm no call(which they did) and confirm 2 calls afer(which they did). Doesn't look like a hidden agenda, just dealing with limited information.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:13 pm to WhoDat37
quote:I understand. Do you understand how some will view it as "biased," if the log as released is enough to show Fuller was wrong about call 1, but the NOPD gives the no comment on call 2 if in fact it is later proven that Hayes made the call.(I understand they are under no obligation)
NOPD
I don't know how to make it any easier up understand honestly.
1. NOPD gets public records request
2. NOPD has an obligation to respond to said request
3. NOPD does not have an obligation to leave personal information, such as a phone number or SSN, in the request.
It isnt a huge deal. I am just trying to without getting angry present the argument Lester was trying to use
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:14 pm to lsupride87
I think that's accurate.
I don't buy that the attorney hasn't reviewed that information yet. Most likely one of the first actions taken
I don't buy that the attorney hasn't reviewed that information yet. Most likely one of the first actions taken
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:14 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Do you understand how some will view it as "biased," if the log as released is enough to show Fuller was wrong about call 1, but the NOPD gives the no comment on call 2 if in fact it is later proven that Hayes made the call.(I understand they are under no obligation)
They didn't comment about either call. Why would they?
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:15 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
Cops knew there was more than 1 gun yet framed it to as Hayes having the only gun.
Smith's gun, if it was still locked up, cannot be retrieved without a warrant. If they searched the scene and the vehicle it means they did a shite job or his gun was locked up.
So originally they only found one gun at the scene. They later found Smith's after getting a warrant to search his vehicle.
Also, there was no 911 call after the supposed original hit and run.
The other two calls were likely by Smith's friends reporting his murder (first call), and Hayes reporting an accident (second call) so he could claim he called 911 and stay on the scene.
But even Hayes' attorney is saying none of the calls were made from Hayes' first cell phone.
And this bullshite of whether Will hit and run is irrelevant. Hayes followed and agressively rammed Smith's vehicle and approached with a gun (concealed or not).
Why anyone is defending Hayes is absolutely baffling. All the evidence is pointing to him being the aggressor.
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