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re: No one is talking about how the 2012 Colts suceeded under similar conditions
Posted on 12/26/12 at 2:44 pm to Pendulum
Posted on 12/26/12 at 2:44 pm to Pendulum
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It just sounds like a butthurt atl fan whining honestly
Jesus Christ. How in the shite did we get here? This is why I'm so sick of this phrase. It's a retarded and half-witted comeback.
You're right though. I'm butthurt that the team I cheer for is 13-2, in the playoffs and has wrapped up the #1 seed. I'm friggin catastrophically butthurt and whining about it.
I was merely adding in my input to say that the original question was valid. There are obvious differences (you've pointed them out) but there is the major similarity (the HCs missing games) that should be worth discussing. Instead, you'd rather make excuses and just have a general attitude of "we're going to win the super bowl next year". I just think there's some major issues with the Saints that are being excused on CSP missing. We'll both find out next year who's right though - I'm betting on me...
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Posted on 12/26/12 at 2:55 pm to DoubleDown
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Jesus Christ. How in the shite did we get here? This is why I'm so sick of this phrase. It's a retarded and half-witted comeback.
You're right though. I'm butthurt that the team I cheer for is 13-2, in the playoffs and has wrapped up the #1 seed. I'm friggin catastrophically butthurt and whining about it.
yet here you are, in a saints forum on a LSU website as a Falcons/Bama fan; using this thread to express the fact that you still think we can't get it done with CSP.
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Instead, you'd rather make excuses and just have a general attitude of "we're going to win the super bowl next year".
Is that what the man in your head told you because no one even hinted at that statement in this thread.
furthermore, to the actual discussion relevant to this thread, I could compare just about anything in this world and find one similarity.
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There are obvious differences (you've pointed them out) but there is the major similarity (the HCs missing games) that should be worth discussing
Ok then, let's discuss it and act like it is even a major similarity because it isnt, maybe it would be a major similarity if pagano also couldnt talk to team during season. In that case I'd even give you the whole no offseason communication as a gift.
Ok here we go
Uhhhhh, durrrrwr, teams that have no coach not as good as teams with coach...Team with no QB get good when they get QB....Duuurrwrer
This post was edited on 12/26/12 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 12/26/12 at 3:21 pm to Pectus
we should have beat Green Bay, KC, and Carolina. IMO we should be 10-5 right now...
Posted on 12/26/12 at 3:22 pm to Pectus
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No one is talking about how the 2012 Colts suceeded under similar conditions
Not even close.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 3:26 pm to DoubleDown
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I have a feeling that Saints fans just throwing out "Our situation is worse" are going to be in for a rude awakening next year. The Saints aren't just miraculously going to be a 10+ win team next year because SP and ML are back. Honestly, some of you are saying that ML makes a difference during the season? Please - you're grasping children.
I already know the answer to this, but I'll ask anyway..
Are you really this fricking stupid?
So with Payton they were 13–3 last year.
Without him and numerous other key personal this year they are 7-8.
It doesn't take rocket science to figure out that they are much better with Payton then without.
This post was edited on 12/26/12 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 12/26/12 at 3:45 pm to TigerBait2008
If he doesn't think CSP is worth 2-3 games, then there can be no reasoning here.
If he thinks Carl Nicks, Abrayo Franklin, and Robert Maechem are the reasons we are having a "poor" season, then there can be no reasoning here
If he thinks Carl Nicks, Abrayo Franklin, and Robert Maechem are the reasons we are having a "poor" season, then there can be no reasoning here
This post was edited on 12/26/12 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 12/26/12 at 3:58 pm to DoubleDown
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The Saints aren't just miraculously going to be a 10+ win team next year because SP and ML are back. Honestly, some of you are saying that ML makes a difference during the season? Please - you're grasping children.
Holy mother fricking shite you are stupid. Do you want to bet on this right now?
Posted on 12/26/12 at 4:20 pm to Pectus
Has anyone taken a look at the 2012 Colts schedule.
It was the easiest in the NFL.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 4:21 pm to DoubleDown
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DoubleDown
You went from a Falcon fan I can tolerate, to some cocky fan that thinks his team is some power force because they are 13-2. Listen, mother fricker, your team is where they are without facing a full Saints team, therefore not having a battle for playoff positioning. This division has been a 2 man race for a while, and I thought you were smart enough to know this. Let's take into account what the Saints have done to your precious Falcons over the years, do I need to throw those numbers in front of you? Let's throw in the fact we have won a fricking Superbowl, and your team can't win a playoff game. I'd think you'd shut your mouth until your team actually does something worth a damn.
Now, let's throw out some facts, and read this slowly because apparently you are too slow to comprehend:
-The Saints are in unprecedented territory, a head coach with an outstanding foundation going, the leader, taken away for the Season
-The General Manager taken away for 8 games
-Loss of draft picks that possibly could've improved this team in some form especially on the defensive side
-The second line of command, the assistant coach, taken away for the first 6 games.
-The distractions of players being suspended
-The battle to prove they have not done what they have been accused of, the mentality knowing they, and the fans, have been screwed because of the punishments
* You are taking away a foundation that has been set for years now. A sense of familiarity, a continuity in an organization that has embarrassed your team and many others over the years, was complete sent into disarray. You mean to tell me it had nothing to do with how this season ended up? No team, ever, has had to go through anything close to this.
I'll admit I was sheepish, for I am one with a high amount of optimism. I thought we'd still be able to arse rape teams with no lube, but I never realized how much of what made this organization what it is would be taken away. This season felt weird from the start seeing Payton not there, seeing Kromer (who is not fit for head coaching) on the sideline. It shook everyone, because nothing felt right. You can't comprehend the mental state of having so much taken from you, and being accused and punished unfairly.
You can say players are droppings balls, sure. Brees had bad games, absolutely. But, the foundation was taken away, and when that happens everything will fall in some way with it.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 4:22 pm to TigerBait2008
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Without him and numerous other key personal this year they are 7-8.
To be fair, we've been 8-8 and had some mediocre to poor seasons under Payton. We turned the corner when we picked up Williams as DC and went on a 3-straight postseason stretch. If we go next year, I'd count it as 4 straight with an asterisk.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 4:42 pm to CocoLoco
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CocoLoco
Have you ever seen a cat play with a mouse?
You can't just come out and eat the thing, you have to play with it first; let him think hes gonna get away, then crush those hopes; agonize it; let him know that no matter how he struggles, no matter how he screams and whines, he's your food; then squeeze the life from his little body.
Otherwise, you didn't get to play with your food.
That's how I try to maintain my relationships with falcon fans.
This post was edited on 12/26/12 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 12/26/12 at 4:48 pm to ItTakesAThief
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Has anyone taken a look at the 2012 Colts schedule. It was the easiest in the NFL.
Colts opponents are 128-128. There are 17 teams with easier schedules, including playoff bound CHI, ATL, WAS, SF, HOU, GB, and NE
Posted on 12/26/12 at 5:03 pm to GynoSandberg
I would think that home/away, where you are going would play a huge factor in difficulty of schedule.
I'm putting this out there without knowing whether it makes their schedule easier or harder because I don't care either way. I'm Just pointing out that opponents record probably only tells 75% of the story.
Wait a second, why are we discussing colts football on a saints forum.
I wonder why...
No one is talking about how the U.S. and Soviet Union did better than Poland against Hitler and the Nazis under similar conditions.
I'm putting this out there without knowing whether it makes their schedule easier or harder because I don't care either way. I'm Just pointing out that opponents record probably only tells 75% of the story.
Wait a second, why are we discussing colts football on a saints forum.
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No one is talking about how the 2012 Colts suceeded under similar conditions
I wonder why...
No one is talking about how the U.S. and Soviet Union did better than Poland against Hitler and the Nazis under similar conditions.
This post was edited on 12/26/12 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 12/26/12 at 5:21 pm to FootballNostradamus
Good thing that we dont play the chiefs every week or we would be 0-16 lol jkjk. Honestly i think we will be 11-5 to 13-3 maybe 14-2 next season with the improved defense and sean back
This post was edited on 12/26/12 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 12/26/12 at 5:48 pm to Pectus
They still had their head coach to begin the season with.
Not even remotely similar.
Not even remotely similar.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 5:52 pm to Pendulum
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Pendulum
i got heated and my adderall is kicking, felt that rant deep in my plums.
I normally like Double, he used to be a solid poster and contributor, but lately he has gone full retard on here.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 7:14 pm to Pectus
They didn't have their head coach THIS year and did what the Saints could not. Plus, the Saints had time to prepare for the change.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 7:35 pm to Pectus
The Colts did great this year. But I don't much talk about other teams 'great years' FWIW.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 9:03 am to Pectus
That a legit point. Great accomplishment by the Colts organization. A very favorable schedule helped ,but still outstanding.
This post was edited on 12/27/12 at 9:03 am
Posted on 12/27/12 at 9:38 am to CocoLoco
Clearly no matter what I say, some of you are just going to take the counter-point of it. In essence, my main thesis was that the colts had a similar situation in which they didn't have their HC and for whatever reason rallied and had a decent/overachieving year. The Saints had more to deal with and I do believe that CSP being back *might* equate to 2-3 more wins (no way to prove/disprove that) but CSP can't be the excuse haven for all the poor play by the Saints. INTs, poor D, dropped passes, poor tackling, etc.
Also keep in mind that there were some 8-8 season's under CSP as well before you whip out the 13-3 season.
Anyways, the main point is that the conversation/concept needed to be, at the very least, considered.
Also keep in mind that there were some 8-8 season's under CSP as well before you whip out the 13-3 season.
Anyways, the main point is that the conversation/concept needed to be, at the very least, considered.
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