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re: NFL Officials Responsibilities
Posted on 1/22/19 at 2:34 pm to tgrbaitn08
Posted on 1/22/19 at 2:34 pm to tgrbaitn08
Right and according to Jim the ref didn’t even have to throw a flag. Once he realized something bad was missed get them
Together and fix it by whatever means necessary and make a call. That’s the bottom line and fits the rules you quoted.
Together and fix it by whatever means necessary and make a call. That’s the bottom line and fits the rules you quoted.
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 2:39 pm to Fat Bastard
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Once he realized something bad was missed get them
Together and fix it by whatever means necessary and make a call.
And how is he supposed to know that something bad was missed if he didn't see the play? I understand you've convinced yourself that he was staring at the play as it was happening, but all the angles I've seen show him turning his head as contact is being made.
I agree that he should have huddled with the other two officials and made sure that they were confident in the no call, but he can't make that call by himself as you claim.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 2:41 pm to Fat Bastard
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Right and according to Jim the ref didn’t even have to throw a flag. Once he realized something bad was missed get them
Together and fix it by whatever means necessary and make a call. That’s the bottom line and fits the rules you quoted.
You are starting to walk this back, to the place where it should be. There is a huge difference between "confer" and "drop a flag on his own".
Posted on 1/22/19 at 2:45 pm to LSUFanHouston
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You are starting to walk this back, to the place where it should be. There is a huge difference between "confer" and "drop a flag on his own".
Yep, he started out claiming he should have thrown the flag from across the field. Then it was, well, he should have called the other officials over and dropped the flag on his own. Now it, he should have called the other officials over and made sure they got it right. Funny how that works.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 2:50 pm to LSUFanHouston
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I've officiated as well.
That is a scary thought, because you have NO IDEA what the frick you are talking about.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 2:52 pm to UpToPar
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he can't make that call by himself as you claim.
IF HE SAW the infraction, he absolutely can.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 2:54 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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IF HE SAW the infraction, he absolutely can.
He can, it would just fly in the face of everything he's been taught. That's not his call to make with two other officials staring right at the play, both with better views than he has.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 2:55 pm to LSUFanHouston
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I said the head referee is not going to throw a flag on an infraction where others, who clearly have a better view than he does, feel one has not occurred.
And he therefore bears part of the blame for NOT calling a foul that he witnesses.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 2:56 pm to UpToPar
He saw the play. Watch the video. He lied to stay out the mess he allowed to happen. He knows it. It’s his responsibility. We’ve discussed this now ad Nauseum. So you agree he didn’t do his job as a head referee and crew chief?? Great now we can move on. He shite the bed. It’s not even arguable after what we’ve discovered today per ex nfl people’s interviews and the link you posted!
Posted on 1/22/19 at 2:57 pm to UpToPar
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He can, it would just fly in the face of everything he's been taught. That's not his call to make with two other officials staring right at the play, both with better views than he has.
So, he is weak, got it. If you see an infraction make the call. If you think PI has occurred and no flag, call a conference.
Head official: That was clearly PI
Line Judge: nope, bang-bang.
Head official: We have Defensive Pass Interference, that's a spot foul, 1st and ten, Saints.
If you are one of the two best Head refs.... Do your job. Be responsible for every call.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 3:00 pm to Fat Bastard
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He saw the play. Watch the video.
I've watched it. He's turning his head just as the contact is occurring. Regardless, he didn't have a better look that the two officials standing right there, and it's not his call.
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So you agree he didn’t do his job as a head referee and crew chief??
Should he have called the other two officials over and made sure they were on the same page? Sure. But if we're assigning blame, he is the least culpable out of the three.
And there's certainly no guarantee that had he called for a conference that a call would have been made.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 3:01 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Right and for the millionth time. We know he saw it and lied. He didn’t even have to throw the flag. He has a conference
Together and gets it right. Anybody else could have given their input. That’s why we get flags from across the field all the time. Jim Miller states this is what should have happened.
The man only said he didn’t see it once he was interviewed and the shite was hitting the fan to try to cover his arse. It’s sad and pathetic. The guy is a loser and a failure plain and simple.
Together and gets it right. Anybody else could have given their input. That’s why we get flags from across the field all the time. Jim Miller states this is what should have happened.
The man only said he didn’t see it once he was interviewed and the shite was hitting the fan to try to cover his arse. It’s sad and pathetic. The guy is a loser and a failure plain and simple.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 3:05 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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So, he is weak, got it. If you see an infraction make the call. If you think PI has occurred and no flag, call a conference.
Head official: That was clearly PI
Line Judge: nope, bang-bang.
Head official: We have Defensive Pass Interference, that's a spot foul, 1st and ten, Saints.
If you are one of the two best Head refs.... Do your job. Be responsible for every call.
If he did that, he wouldn't be a referee for very long. The head ref does NOT overrule judgment calls outside his zone, not matter what he thinks he saw.
If the crew chief is the first base umpire, and the home plate umpire calls a ball on an obvious strike, you think the crew chief can run over and tell him that it was a strike? That's what you're arguing right now.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 3:05 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Yep. That’s what shoulda happened. Run the crew fairly. Others throw flags all the time from other spots. shite we have seen 4 or 5 at once before. Lol
This whole thing is a cop out. Just because guys are closer doesn’t mean they make
Right calls.
This whole thing is a cop out. Just because guys are closer doesn’t mean they make
Right calls.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 3:18 pm to Fat Bastard
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He saw the play. Watch the video.
I don't think I've seen the view that shows him turning to look at the play. Do you have a link?
Posted on 1/22/19 at 3:29 pm to UpToPar
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If the crew chief is the first base umpire, and the home plate umpire calls a ball on an obvious strike, you think the crew chief can run over and tell him that it was a strike? That's what you're arguing right now.
This has absolutely NOTHING to do with the NFL.
The crew chief can and does over-rule foul calls on long home runs. That is a more apt comparison. Balls and Strikes ARE different.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 3:34 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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The crew chief can and does over-rule foul calls on long home runs. That is a more apt comparison.
On replay, sure.
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Balls and Strikes ARE different.
How convenient.Posted on 1/22/19 at 4:24 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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The crew chief can and does over-rule foul calls on long home runs.
Jesus.
The home plate ump (regardless if he is the crew chief or not) can overrule a 1B/3B umpire on foul balls under the idea that the guy at home usually has a superior angle on those plays.
The crew chief, regardless of where is is on the field, handles the video review, and can make overrule calls based on that.
The crew chief, if he's working 2B, is NOT going to overrule a foul ball call without video evidence, regardless of what he saw.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 4:54 pm to Fat Bastard
I agree, and further, I think CSP shoulda called a timeout, and given all three the 2 closest to the play and the head referee time to stew on it a bit and maybe make the right call
I just rewatched the game, made me sick all over
I just rewatched the game, made me sick all over
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