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re: Mickey Loomis is historically good
Posted on 8/25/25 at 9:39 am to GynoSandberg
Posted on 8/25/25 at 9:39 am to GynoSandberg
quote:Some teams could only hope to even be that good. People want to laugh at mediocrity but don't remember the TRULY bad times this team has had.
30-38 since then. Thats 17% of his tenure here. Add the three 7-9s
How about we do the same thing with Belichick, considered one of the greatest of all time, without Brady? Belichick has been far worse than Loomis. What about Jerry Jones without Aikman?
You can literally say this about every team since the free agent era, that without a great qb they had maybe a year or two of success.
It's the guys that can keep their team afloat and not slide back into a laughing stock without a qb that are truly putting in the work.
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Posted on 8/25/25 at 10:11 am to bonethug0180
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Some teams could only hope to even be that good
There’s only a handful of team worse than us over that time frame
frick are you even talking about? Bill Belicheck last let go and couldn’t get another NFL job. Jerry Jones had tony romo and Dak, who have won 62% of their NFL games. We have a 44% win percentage since ‘21.
You live in a saints echo chamber. Do we need to go over all the teams who have been able to find a successor QB for their franchise? You are teetering with worst team in the league territory now going on half a decade. Pull your head out of your arse, it’s 2025, your team isn’t close to being good
Posted on 8/25/25 at 10:25 am to GynoSandberg
From '21 to '24, with one of the worst head coaches you could possibly have (and yes THAT I do put on Loomis as his worst mistake ever), AND with possibly one of the worst injury filled seasons in history in '24, we still managed to be 20th over that span.
That is not good, but it is also FAR from being a laughing stock of the league. That means 38% of the league was worse than us over that period, the period without Brees and with one of the worst head coaches.
And your point about Jones having Romo and Dak only FURTHERS my point about great qbs = wins. So not sure what was meant by adding that just because I left them off.
That is not good, but it is also FAR from being a laughing stock of the league. That means 38% of the league was worse than us over that period, the period without Brees and with one of the worst head coaches.
And your point about Jones having Romo and Dak only FURTHERS my point about great qbs = wins. So not sure what was meant by adding that just because I left them off.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 10:37 am to GynoSandberg
It looks like there are 12 teams with a worse record in that time frame.
Not paying Statmuse for the data, but Saints tied for 19th with Broncos since 2021
Worse teams would be Clev, Atl, Tenn, LV, AZ, NE, NYJ, Hou, Jax, NYG, Chi & Car
Edit: Just realized that this is a very Saints thing to do. Let's be a terrible team for the past 4 years, but still find ourselves near the middle of the pack. In other words, we'll suck but still not suck enough for a top 5 pick
Not paying Statmuse for the data, but Saints tied for 19th with Broncos since 2021
Worse teams would be Clev, Atl, Tenn, LV, AZ, NE, NYJ, Hou, Jax, NYG, Chi & Car
Edit: Just realized that this is a very Saints thing to do. Let's be a terrible team for the past 4 years, but still find ourselves near the middle of the pack. In other words, we'll suck but still not suck enough for a top 5 pick
This post was edited on 8/25/25 at 10:48 am
Posted on 8/25/25 at 10:41 am to gsmith5651
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The Saints and Pels have sucked for years. He hires his friends(Dumars and Ireland)
Mickey hasn't been with the Pels in about 6 years. Loomis had nothing to do with Dumars being hired.
Also, for being a shite organization, the Pelicans at least made the playoffs 2 years ago
Posted on 8/25/25 at 10:46 am to Saskwatch
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Seems more and more like he just rode the coat tails of SP and now looks totally lost and without a clue.
If we are being honest, isn't that still to be determined. Sure, he rode the coat tails of Brees & Payton, but he was the one that decided to give Payton a shot and then agreed to give Payton his guy in Brees.
Sure, he completed screwed the pooch with DA, Carr, and several of his moves between Brees/Payton leaving and now. But can we really say he's totally lost and without a clue until we know what KM does over the next few years. If Moore turns into the next "he peaked as a coordinator", then yes Loomis is lost/done. But if Moore is able to turn this team around and become the next good to great HC; are we going to go out of our way to make every excuse in the book for why Loomis should not get credit for this hire?
Posted on 8/25/25 at 10:56 am to Weekend Warrior79
quote:You mean to tell me possibly the greatest of all time Belichick was WORSE than us over that period when we lost Brees and he lost Brady? Shocking...
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Posted on 8/25/25 at 11:00 am to Weekend Warrior79
quote:Yes. fricking bank on that.
But if Moore is able to turn this team around and become the next good to great HC; are we going to go out of our way to make every excuse in the book for why Loomis should not get credit for this hire?
Just like every good pick was Ireland but every bad pick was Loomis, every good signing was the head coach and every bad signing was Loomis. Just like we managed to field a more competitive team post Brees and with Allen than 38% of the league despite Loomis so "poorly managing the cap", because it doesn't matter what he does good, he will never get credit, and anything bad falls on him.
Yes he MASSIVELY fricked up hiring and keeping Allen. We moved on now.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 11:32 am to bonethug0180
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From '21 to '24, with one of the worst head coaches you could possibly have (and yes THAT I do put on Loomis as his worst mistake ever), AND with possibly one of the worst injury filled seasons in history in '24, we still managed to be 20th over that span.
You are coddling a GM who could not land a HC or QB. Only the two biggest roles for the team.
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That is not good, but it is also FAR from being a laughing stock of the league. That means 38% of the league was worse than us over that period, the period without Brees and with one of the worst head coaches.
There goes that pesky HC and QB again. Who your GM double downed on and spent precious draft and monetary resources to try and make work. No one is envious of the 20th best team in the league, especially one with no QB who is digging themselves out of bad financials. You may as well be last
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And your point about Jones having Romo and Dak only FURTHERS my point about great qbs = wins. So not sure what was meant by adding that just because I left them off.
It doesn’t further your point
You’re knighting for a GM who did not have a succession plan for Brees and who has whiffed on QB since. The position is A1 the most important thing to this organization. GMs who cannot find a QB going on 5 years now are GMs who are normally unemployed. Brees is long gone. Wake up. None of that matters any more
Posted on 8/25/25 at 11:37 am to GynoSandberg
But he did land a HC and QB, who brought us a Super Bowl, the only one in our history.
Which is more than some teams have done ever.
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Also, as much as some didn't like it, Winston and then Carr was the plan after Brees. Both didn't work out due to injury in the end.
Which is more than some teams have done ever.
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Also, as much as some didn't like it, Winston and then Carr was the plan after Brees. Both didn't work out due to injury in the end.
This post was edited on 8/25/25 at 11:42 am
Posted on 8/25/25 at 11:39 am to Weekend Warrior79
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Mickey hasn't been with the Pels in about 6 years. Loomis had nothing to do with Dumars being hired.
You’d be a fool to think Loomis still doesn’t have pull with the Pels, given his place in the Benson hierarchy. Dumars has been floating around Loomis and the organization for awhile now.
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In 2014, Dumars was attended several New Orleans Saints games with Mickey Loomis, their chief football decision-maker, according to Fletcher Mackel of WDSU. Both the Saints and Pelicans were then and still are owned by the Benson family, and until 2019, Loomis was technically the head of basketball operations for the Pelicans as well, though he largely delegated day-to-day duties to his general manager. On May 5, 2015, Grantland's Zach Lowe reported that Dumars could be brought in for a supervisory role above then-general manager Dell Demps. No official title materialized. A week later, though, CBS Sports' Ken Berger reported that Dumars, "a Louisiana native, has been providing input with the team and has a close relationship with Loomis and owner Tom Benson."
The exact nature of Dumars' influence in New Orleans has never fully been clarified, and the rumors gained and lost steam as time passed. In April of 2016, John Reid of the Times-Picayune reported there had been no discussions between Dumars and the Pelicans about a formal job offer. A year later, Steve Kyler of Basketball Insiders hinted that the Pelicans could make sweeping changes, and mentioned that the Pelicans had long been linked to Dumars. It was a simmering rumor for several years that never officially boiled over.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 11:56 am to saints5021
On top of all the points made above, he also lets Payton talk him out of drafting for the future bc he wanted to win now, all the while Payton was planning to bail as soon as the rebuild was needed.
He kept trying to draft that one piece to help SP win instead of finding Brees’s replacement.
He kept trying to draft that one piece to help SP win instead of finding Brees’s replacement.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 1:01 pm to thenza
The game has passed him by.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 1:31 pm to bonethug0180
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But he did land a HC and QB, who brought us a Super Bowl, the only one in our history.
Which is more than some teams have done ever.
And he’s still responsible for the current state of the franchise. It’s 2025 bro. Payton and Drew signed here 20 years ago, we won a SB 15 years ago, and they have been gone from here for awhile. No business relishes on achievements they made 15, 20 years ago. You sound like a cowboys fan holding on to their SBs.
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Edit: Also, as much as some didn't like it, Winston and then Carr was the plan after Brees. Both didn't work out due to injury in the end.
They were 15-15 combined. They have a long history of losing. But yea it was the injuries that doomed them. That and the inability to provide adequate depth due to not having money to spend (Loomis)
Posted on 8/25/25 at 1:57 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:And this is a new year with a new head coach, so yes I am moving on from the past as the Allen years were horrible for me.
And he’s still responsible for the current state of the franchise. It’s 2025 bro. Payton and Drew signed here 20 years ago, we won a SB 15 years ago, and they have been gone from here for awhile. No business relishes on achievements they made 15, 20 years ago. You sound like a cowboys fan holding on to their SBs.
We can find success again with Loomis as the GM, but everyone wants to just claim doom and gloom instead.
Just as you pointed out Jerry eventually found a head coach and a couple of qbs to start righting the ship, let's see if we have too instead of instantly saying this is a garbage franchise now and Loomis is the worst gm ever.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 2:37 pm to bonethug0180
I’m moving on too, but the onus is on him to prove it. The benefit of the doubt has run out
Posted on 8/25/25 at 2:50 pm to thenza
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The hate is weird.
No its not. We have a expensive roster that isn't very good. Thats bad roster management. Which is his job.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 3:08 pm to bayou85
quote:It's hilarious that everyone parrots this when we were going 7-10 with Andy fricking Dalton starting 14 games in 2022, 9-8 with Carr, who everyone apparently hated and thought sucked, in 2023, and 5-12 with the amount of injuries we had in 2024, all while coached by Allen those 3 seasons.
roster that isn't very good
You would think we finished with 3 wins or less the way everyone talks about those seasons, yet somehow we weren't even the worst team any of those years with such a "horrible" roster and the albatross that was Allen around our necks.
How about we let this season play out a bit before going with extreme hyperbole?
Posted on 8/25/25 at 3:34 pm to bonethug0180
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It's hilarious that everyone parrots this when we were going 7-10 with Andy fricking Dalton starting 14 games in 2022, 9-8 with Carr, who everyone apparently hated and thought sucked, in 2023, and 5-12 with the amount of injuries we had in 2024, all while coached by Allen those 3 seasons.
You would think we finished with 3 wins or less the way everyone talks about those seasons, yet somehow we weren't even the worst team any of those years with such a "horrible" roster and the albatross that was Allen around our necks.
How about we let this season play out a bit before going with extreme hyperbole?
Is this a Mckey Loomis alter?
Posted on 8/25/25 at 3:37 pm to bayou85
I don’t even think Mickey himself would make all these excuses.
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