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re: Michael Thomas on Derek Carr

Posted on 6/13/23 at 1:20 pm to
Posted by VictoryHill
Alabama
Member since Nov 2013
3213 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 1:20 pm to
Nope, because I’ve always like Jared Goff. Accurate and doesn’t turn the ball over.

Meanwhile Carr leads the league in turnovers going back something like 5 years and was 2nd in the league in picks last year despite playing just 15 games.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64414 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 1:25 pm to
Well LA didn't like him and now he is on his second team like Carr. Perhaps 2nd chances can do wonders for QB's sometimes. We had one that worked out.
Posted by VictoryHill
Alabama
Member since Nov 2013
3213 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 1:34 pm to
If that makes you feel better and gives you hope going into the season then have at it.
Posted by illuminatic
Manipulating politicans&rappers
Member since Sep 2012
6962 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:27 pm to
That's a pretty useless metric considering I randomly looked at Mahomes, Burrow and Allen to compare. Combined, they have been in the top 10 of catchable passes 3 times. Based on last year's metrics, Josh Allen and Burrow were ranked lower than the number of starters in the league. They should be holding clip boards apparently.
Last year's rankings for the mentioned:

Pat Mahomes #14

Josh Allen #41

Joe Burrow #34

For good measure, I checked Aaron Rodgers and he's only been in the top 10 once since 2017, and as low as #47 and #49 a couple of years. Weight Carr's ranking against those guys and he has the highest average career ranking

Avg "Catchable Pass Rate" ranking for every year the below players were a starter:

Carr - 15
Mahomes - 20
Burrow - 25
Rodgers - 28
Allen - 33

I had nothing better to do while I waited for my computer to process something for work
Posted by VictoryHill
Alabama
Member since Nov 2013
3213 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:09 pm to
Cool, now do turnovers and wins which were two other things I referenced when discussing how cheeks Carr is.

¯\_(. .)_/¯

There’s already 1 guy in this thread who’s taking a year hiatus in a few months because he’s banking on Carr winning a playoff game - want in?

ETA: Oh and any red zone metric of your choosing.
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 11:11 pm
Posted by southsidedell
Tampa, FL
Member since Dec 2016
4720 posts
Posted on 6/14/23 at 6:58 am to
You can feel the shots being taken at these other OBs lol
Posted by Hazelnut
Member since May 2011
16433 posts
Posted on 6/14/23 at 10:46 am to
quote:

I genuinely dislike everything about Winston- his play, his personality. Carr is far more mature.
I think he's been incredibly mature during his stretch of time here. But some people are just going to hate this man no matter what, so have at it I guess.
Posted by tigersquad89
Raleigh, NC
Member since Oct 2014
7897 posts
Posted on 6/14/23 at 12:56 pm to
Ironic that you handpicked the one stat that made him look the worst. Meanwhile on the link you shared he’s top 5 in a ton of different categories. You really are looking pretty sad.
Posted by slimySand
225
Member since Aug 2018
883 posts
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:06 pm to
quote:

indirectly exposing the fact that Jordan/Davis had seen enough of Winston/Dalton experiment.


I think anybody with eyes has seen enough of that.



Posted by hellsu
Northshore via Westbank
Member since Jan 2009
3951 posts
Posted on 6/14/23 at 5:00 pm to
quote:

Carr is a middling QB who has catchable pass rates routinely ranking in the low-to-mid 20's as far as starting QBs go. To boot, he gets worse in the red zone (he's historically bad, actually).

Don't let some training camp fluff fool you. Carr is better than Winston but not by much.


No offense but, I'm going to particularly enjoy watching you slowly but surely disappear as the season wears on, as you start to run out of excuses why the team is in much better position than the previous year. Obviously you're much more a fan of your own contrarian views than a fan of this team.
Posted by tucoco
Las Vegas
Member since Mar 2021
6310 posts
Posted on 6/16/23 at 8:40 am to
quote:

I think he's been incredibly mature during his stretch of time here. But some people are just going to hate this man no matter what, so have at it I guess.
yes, you're right, hate the guy no matter what he does, and all he's done is be a really good, confidence building and supporting teammate that has bought into the Saints system since being there. He's grown as a person and QB in their system, he has learned a lot from Sean Payton in a short time with him. He doesn't make the dumb critical mistakes at QB like in the past with regards to his decision making, he thinks about it now as opposed to just doing it without thought. He's still prone to going back to being the old Jameis at times when he's pressing and under pressure, but not as much as before. He's just a much more confident, well-rounded QB now that should be great in the backup role because he's always confident, bubbly and is always talking it up to the QB he's paired with and helping. Last season it was Dalton, and even though he was upset about not playing at the end of the season, he was still a positively supporting, cheerful, rah rah type teammate to Dalton to get him going before games.
This post was edited on 6/16/23 at 8:47 am
Posted by The Sad Banana
The gate is narrow.
Member since Jul 2008
89498 posts
Posted on 6/16/23 at 10:07 am to
quote:

Carr didnt sign for 6 years, Mike.
I had to read it a few times, but I legit loled.
Posted by VictoryHill
Alabama
Member since Nov 2013
3213 posts
Posted on 6/16/23 at 2:28 pm to
quote:

why the team is in much better position than the previous year

Maybe you missed where I said heading into a season with Carr is a much better spot than heading into a season with Winston, lil guy? But at the end of the day I couldn’t give 2 fricks about winning what everyone says is a weak division. I care about playoff wins. And if Carr fails to get his first playoff win after a decade as a starter in this league then it’s you clowns who’ll be eating the biggest shite sandwich and don’t worry - I’ll be around to see to it that you eat it and like it with some really solid “told you bitches!”

Posted by msstate7
Member since Oct 2014
10785 posts
Posted on 6/16/23 at 4:27 pm to
If the saints make the playoffs, you wont be around, right?
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64414 posts
Posted on 6/16/23 at 4:31 pm to
He upped it to winning one I went along
Posted by VictoryHill
Alabama
Member since Nov 2013
3213 posts
Posted on 6/16/23 at 5:45 pm to
quote:

If the saints make the playoffs, you wont be around, right?

Incorrect. See signature.
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