re: Mark Ingram: I can do the same things Le’Veon Bell, David Johnson do

You have a rookie in your list? GTFO dummy

Are Strief and ingram the two most underrated players in Saints history?

I say yes

You don't think the Saints would trade Ingram for either Fournette or McCaffery? The Panthers and Jags would laugh at us if we even brought that up. I would rather have Gordon, Blount, Hyde, Hill, Gore, Forte. CJ Anderson is a push. Do you think any team ever playing the Saints said we need to stop Ingram? Any decent RB should be averaging over 4.5 yards a carry for us. Hell Ingram might be the 3rd best back on our team this year.

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I'm all for him saying this. He wants to be great, believes he can. Support.

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Yea I don't know why everyone just tries to shite on him at every opportunity.

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Gordon, Blount, Hyde, Hill, Gore, Forte. CJ Anderson is a push.

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Ingram has a higher Y/A than any of these. This shite is reaching retard level. Do better.


Ingram:

205 attempts
1043 yards
5.1 Y/A
6 touchdowns

46 receptions
319 yards
4 touchdowns


Gordon:

254 attempts
997 yards
3.9 Y/A
10 TDs

41 receptions
419 yards
2 TDs


Blount couldn't even keep a frickin job, and had numbers based on volume alone. 3.9 Y/A. Is atrocious in the passing game.


Hyde:

217 attempts
988 yards
4.6 Y/A
6 TDs

27 receptions
163 yards
3 TDS

Worse Y/A and worse in the receiving game, next


Hill ... LMAO

222 attempts
839 yards
3.8 Y/A
9 TDs

21 receptions
174 yards
0 TDs

Brilliant rookie season where he put up Ingrams Y/A average of 5.1, but over the last two seasons has averaged an abysmal 3.7 Y/A and gets outplayed by Bernard, who is a scat back.

Gore is 87 years old. You can't be serious. But, ok...

267 attempts
1025 yards
3.9 Y/A
4 TDs

38 reception
277 yards
4 TDs


HoF career, on his last legs. Not one GM in the league would take him over Ingram. Ingram, once again, better numbers than a guy you listed.


Forte

31 years old. Not a GM that would take him over Ingram, but alright, we need numbers

218 attempts
3.7 Y/A
813 yards
7 TDs

30 receptions
263 yards
1 TD


Anderson:

110 attempts
437 yards
4.0 Y/A
4 TDs

16 receptions
128 yards
1 TD

Was good in 2015, has been worthless since then




We have no clue what CM and Fornette are yet. So there's no reason to even put them in there.




Once again, do better. That list is terrible, and you should feel bad. But, I'm more than happy to waste my time laying all of this out for you to prove why what you said is ridiculous. I used to hate on Ingram a bit as well, but now there really is no reason to do so. He has become one of the most underrated players in the league.

We have this discussion every month:

Its split into two groups, the clearly better and the "so similar but changes on volume/scheme"

Clearly better:
1. Elliott - better do it all
2. Bell - better do it all
3. Johnson - better do it all
4. Howard - run heavy and overproduces
5. Murray - run heavy and overproduces, better homerun threat
6. McCoy - better homerun threat

Around the same, difference is situation and volume:
7. Freeman - he has more volume, but their numbers are similar and they're both 3-down backs in pass heavy offenses
8. Ajayi - on an average passing team, but he has better breakaway speed. He's just not as consistent
9. Hyde - on a bad passing attack, but he's not a solid blocker or receiver
10. Crowell - on a bad passing attack, but he's boom or bust. 4 games with 100+ yards, but 8 games <50 yards
11. Gurley - on a bad team overall, not sure where to put him
12. Ware - on an average passing team, but is a balanced RB.

You can bump this thread later in the year, but I stand by my comment that there will be AT LEAST 20 other RB's with better numbers then Ingram by seasons end. If I were to rate RB's he would be somewhere in the 20's, around 20-25. I think most people who are not Saint homers would agree. I think after this year he will rank around 30 as he will be our 3rd best RB by game 3. The guy finally broke 1000 yards (barely) and you act like he had some great year. It was what a highly paid 1st round pick is supposed to do EVERY year.

I'd put Ingram ahead of Hyde, though I think a debate can be made at least. Would def have him ahead of Crowell. I do think Gurley is better than Ingram. Ajayi looks good but need to see if last year was an anomaly.

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You can bump this thread later in the year, but I stand by my comment that there will be AT LEAST 20 other RB's with better numbers then Ingram by seasons end. If I were to rate RB's he would be somewhere in the 20's, around 20-25. I think most people who are not Saint homers would agree. I think after this year he will rank around 30 as he will be our 3rd best RB by game 3. The guy finally broke 1000 yards (barely) and you act like he had some great year. It was what a highly paid 1st round pick is supposed to do EVERY year.

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Yea, but you bring no argument. You are just spewing out an opinion that you can't back up. 5.1 YPA. He is easily a top 15 RB, and stats back him up as being in the 8-12 range. And his contract is fine.


At least give a legit argument to this horse shite, man.



You say OMG he barely had 1k, but you take a guy like Hill over him who has been absolute shite the last 2 seasons. You take Hyde who didn't hit 1k. You take Gore, who has less yards and less YPA. Do you not see how ridiculous that sounds? Just say you don't like Ingram.

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I think last year was his "outliner" year compared to his past 6

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It hasn't been just 1 year, his last 3 years have been completely different as a lead back. Comparing his role the first 3 years to the lat 3 years is like comparing Reggie Bush in NO vs Reggie Bush in Miami/Detroit

He was a top 10 back in YPC and was something like 6th in total yards before his injury last year as well.

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Do you realize anyone outside of New Orleans who isn't a Ingram fanboy would agree with me?

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a lot actually, even rival fans criticize the ingram haters and question how he was managed the first 3 years of his career.