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Kamara and Saints talking contract?
Posted on 1/30/20 at 8:54 am
Posted on 1/30/20 at 8:54 am
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This interview has some small nuggets in there; basically Kamara saying he played hurt and how much he respects Drew. The end of the article though is were it gets interesting, although ambiguous enough to have to read into it a little:
I know many here want the Saints to trade Kamara, but what you fail to realize is how much Payton loves him. It took him 11 years to finally find his perfect RB for his system (Bush never really lived up to it, and Sproles did for a very short time), so I don't see him letting Kamara go somewhere else that easily. I think if K asks for too much then P lets him walk, but this APPEARS to be K saying there is talking going on. It does have an overall air of positivity to it, so hopefully they agree to a reasonable deal that benefits both sides.
The part about the injury should put all the Kamara hate to bed. I know that's wishful thinking on my part, but a reasonable man can dream:
This interview has some small nuggets in there; basically Kamara saying he played hurt and how much he respects Drew. The end of the article though is were it gets interesting, although ambiguous enough to have to read into it a little:
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The time will be coming soon for the Saints to make major decisions on their stellar 2017 draft class, which has had a huge hand in completely turning the franchise around after three straight 7-9 seasons from 2014-2016. What Kamara said about an upcoming contract leaves us all to wonder what will ultimately happen.
"We'll see what gets done. I'm obviously in my third year of my rookie contract, so we'll see. Might be something going on."
I know many here want the Saints to trade Kamara, but what you fail to realize is how much Payton loves him. It took him 11 years to finally find his perfect RB for his system (Bush never really lived up to it, and Sproles did for a very short time), so I don't see him letting Kamara go somewhere else that easily. I think if K asks for too much then P lets him walk, but this APPEARS to be K saying there is talking going on. It does have an overall air of positivity to it, so hopefully they agree to a reasonable deal that benefits both sides.
The part about the injury should put all the Kamara hate to bed. I know that's wishful thinking on my part, but a reasonable man can dream:
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how he was injured midway through the season, not being 100 percent and not being able to play how he knew he could play, However, he battled through it, stating how he wanted to be there and be available. Kamara added that it was the last two to three games where he felt like himself and was healthy.
Kamara said, "I don't think anything really changed. When it's kind of slow, you just got to stay patient. You can't get frustrated, and there's times when I was frustrated, but more with the injury than anything. You just got to stay true, and I think a lot of people start chasing ghosts when stuff slows down, it's like you start trying to fix things that aren't broken. That's my biggest thing, I was like, let me not try to credit this slow offensive production on my part to something that is totally unrelated."
He went on to credit that belief to help him stay focused and stay even, and is what ultimately helped him get back hot at the end of the season.
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Posted on 1/30/20 at 8:56 am to Midget Death Squad
Kamara having a subdued season could be great for saints contract wise. There are 2 end of the spectrums where he thinks his value is so this is an interesting negotiation. Much more so than MT13 was so straight forward imo.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 8:58 am to Midget Death Squad
Whether our intentions are to trade him or keep him longterm we need to extend him now so that we don't lose him after this season and get nothing in return. IMO
Posted on 1/30/20 at 8:59 am to redneck
His value is the lowest right now than it likely will be... so could sign him now and save a bit
Posted on 1/30/20 at 9:01 am to Chad504boy
It's certainly leverage for the Saints, but playing poorly while injured may not carry much weight. I think the biggest advantage is that he sounds like he wants to stay here, so hopefully that translates into not trying to break contract records. He does deserve a big contract; however, I don't think it should be in the Zeke range.
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Freeman is 8/yr and Johnson is 13. I see him in that 12-13/yr range as a fair market value. Yes he has dominated many times, but the consistency has been an issue. Plus he is not a full time player like Zeke and Bell.
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Freeman is 8/yr and Johnson is 13. I see him in that 12-13/yr range as a fair market value. Yes he has dominated many times, but the consistency has been an issue. Plus he is not a full time player like Zeke and Bell.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 9:11 am to Chad504boy
For those that want him resigned, at what price?
Not factoring in Drew or other FA decisions...5/50-55
Not factoring in Drew or other FA decisions...5/50-55
Posted on 1/30/20 at 9:13 am to Midget Death Squad
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Yes he has dominated many times, but the consistency has been an issue. Plus he is not a full time player like Zeke and Bell.
Agree, but the guy is way to versatile and 1 year a career does not make...good or bad.
Balanced play calling (fingers crossed) and Murray getting increased carries (especially between the tackles) should put him back where he was previous 2 season
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Plus he is not a full time player like Zeke and Bell.
Hope both camps are looking at it RB/WR hybrid instead of Elliot comp.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 9:32 am to DomincDecoco
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but the guy is way to versatile and 1 year a career does not make...good or bad.
Balanced play calling (fingers crossed) and Murray getting increased carries (especially between the tackles) should put him back where he was previous 2 season
I am not criticizing him at all. I have been one defending him here. I recognize his drop in play was directly a result of his high ankle sprain, so I think he has a lot to deliver still
I am saying though that it will be leverage for the Saints to point out the lack of consistency. Regardless of the reason, it's there on paper and a valuable negotiating tool
Posted on 1/30/20 at 9:39 am to Midget Death Squad
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I have been one defending him here.
I know...I think we share the belief that this team doenst need to be blown up and rebuilt as others have mentioned.
Getting Kamara locked down will allow FO to add complimentary pieces, instead of having to go find that hybrid replacement
Posted on 1/30/20 at 9:52 am to DomincDecoco
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Getting Kamara locked down will allow FO to add complimentary pieces, instead of having to go find that hybrid replacement
A hybrid replacement for someone it took them 11 years to find. That's what gets lost in this "Trade X player" mantra we often see; with whom do you replace him? It's not that easy.
The signing of Thomas was done with the forward thinking of not having Drew. Usually smart teams don't shell out that much money for a WR; however, when you are soon to be breaking in a new QB it helps tremendously to have a great WR to help. Well, same thing applies with Kamara. He and McCaffery are the two best safety options for QBs in the league. When we are trying to work replacements for Drew, these two will make it much easier on any QB that runs this offense.
Plus the cap is increasing a lot each year. Once Drew is gone whoever is replacing him will be at a fraction of his price tag. This mitigates the cap hit of Kamara and Thomas. That along with the annual increase in cap makes it very manageable.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 9:54 am to Midget Death Squad
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with whom do you replace him? It's not that easy.
let me go check the LSU draftee list...
Posted on 1/30/20 at 10:21 am to Chad504boy
I thought he looked good the last two weeks until Minny and he was back to where he was most of the season. Odd
Posted on 1/30/20 at 10:42 am to ulsaint
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I thought he looked good the last two weeks until Minny and he was back to where he was most of the season. Odd
The entire team looked like shite against Minn, not just Kamara. The OL couldn't block a lego, so it's no wonder the rest of the offense did squat
Posted on 1/30/20 at 2:29 pm to Midget Death Squad
sign taysom, he can do just as good as kamara and do more
use taysom in kamaras role and we dont miss a beat and save huge money while trading kamara for a 1st rounder
use taysom in kamaras role and we dont miss a beat and save huge money while trading kamara for a 1st rounder
Posted on 1/30/20 at 2:31 pm to keakar
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sign taysom, he can do just as good as kamara and do more
use taysom in kamaras role and we dont miss a beat and save huge money while trading kamara for a 1st rounder
this is pure ignorance
They are two completely different skill sets and utilized in different ways. Come on now
Posted on 1/30/20 at 2:48 pm to keakar
Wait, what..?
Posted on 1/30/20 at 3:23 pm to Midget Death Squad
taysom filled the role of RB and receiving RB more then he did as a QB, to deny that is just being ignorant
are you seriously trying to claim taysom wasnt used as a receiver and a RB?
are you seriously trying to claim taysom wasnt used as a receiver and a RB?
Posted on 1/30/20 at 3:29 pm to Midget Death Squad
Honestly wouldn't be mad at a 4/40mil extension
puts him at 5th highest paid, teams are regretting paying david johnson, le'veon bell, and todd gurley that money
Also, consider this: Melvin Gordon was offered 10mil annual and turned it down. Now look at where he's at and how much he's in line to lose.
puts him at 5th highest paid, teams are regretting paying david johnson, le'veon bell, and todd gurley that money
Also, consider this: Melvin Gordon was offered 10mil annual and turned it down. Now look at where he's at and how much he's in line to lose.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 3:31 pm to keakar
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taysom filled the role of RB and receiving RB more then he did as a QB, to deny that is just being ignorant
are you seriously trying to claim taysom wasnt used as a receiver and a RB?
Oh honey
Elliot, Bell and Barkley all move around from RB to WR and catch balls, but they are of a completely different skill set than Kamara. It is not nearly as simple as "2 players catch balls and run up the middle, so they are all the same." Come on now
Posted on 1/30/20 at 5:43 pm to Midget Death Squad
It was obvious he was playing hurt. I don’t know why some thought otherwise.
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