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re: Jefferson 4.43 forty
Posted on 2/27/20 at 11:18 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Posted on 2/27/20 at 11:18 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
the #1 WR in the draft may be a slot guy who ran a slower 40 time and only had a marginally better YOC while catch 40 less balls.
He averaged 16+ ypc as a outside recover in a shitty scheme in 2018.
He averaged 16+ ypc as a outside recover in a shitty scheme in 2018.
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Posted on 2/28/20 at 12:03 am to SammyTiger
There’s a lot of tape on Jeudy and Lamb catching post routes 3 yards behind a safety. That’s why they’re higher on the board. You can list all the stats that you’d like, but their YPC is higher because they get open deep and get behind the defense. That’s why they are where they are on the board. It’s a coveted skill and when you prove you can do it consistently then the NFL likes that. Those are killshot plays.
I’m not even sure what we’re arguing at this point. Is it that Jefferson should be the first WR off the board?
I’m not even sure what we’re arguing at this point. Is it that Jefferson should be the first WR off the board?
Posted on 2/28/20 at 12:05 am to SammyTiger
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He just ran a BLAZING 40
Yes I do.
If he does end up being a legit deep threat & we draft him...he & Mike Thomas would be a damn good duo.
Mike Thomas will do what he always does. Short/intermediate routes all day.
Jefferson will be a threat at everything. Probably not as good as Thomas on the short/intermediate routes, but still legit. He'll be able to stretch the defense though. Jack of all trades kind of WR.
We would still need a #3. Someone like Devery would be perfect for this. Blazing speed & a massive threat to get over the top of a defense.
That would be fricking sick, & a complete nightmare to defend. That's not even taking into account the TE & Kamara.
The objective is to make the defense worry about the entire field. It's the easiest way to exploit a defense. If a good defense knows that you can't beat them deep...you're probably screwed & it also makes it harder to run the ball. That's why I'm questioning if Jefferson can be a deep threat in the NFL. It's a very important question to ask if we're going to invest a 1st round pick on him.
I realize LSU fans want to draft a LSU guy, but the player needs to fit what we need. Where he went to school shouldn't matter. At least it shouldn't if you're also a Saints fan, but that doesn't mean that you can't hope for it. You draft the best player for what you need. Hopefully the FO thinks Jefferson is what we need & takes him.
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 3:45 am
Posted on 2/28/20 at 4:18 am to GMoney2600
WTF are you talking about?
Posted on 2/28/20 at 4:28 am to WITCH DOCTOR
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WTF are you talking about?
Read the entire thread. If you can't figure it out, then I'm not sure what to say. It's not that complicated dude.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 6:59 am to TechDawg2007
This just in:
my shitty, inexperienced, ignorant opinion of Jefferson seems to have been dead wrong (shocking I know). He's going to be a stud in the NFL too. You can't teach hard work and this guy is a machine. This forty time shows me he worked HARD. Not that he isn't fast, but that number surprised everyone.
my shitty, inexperienced, ignorant opinion of Jefferson seems to have been dead wrong (shocking I know). He's going to be a stud in the NFL too. You can't teach hard work and this guy is a machine. This forty time shows me he worked HARD. Not that he isn't fast, but that number surprised everyone.
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 7:00 am
Posted on 2/28/20 at 7:17 am to Hulkklogan
Saints need someone who can take the top off despite the possibility that Brees won’t be able to make that pass. Still need to look to the future.
That said we also need a slot receiver so we don’t have to rely on the TE to make that catch.
That said we also need a slot receiver so we don’t have to rely on the TE to make that catch.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 7:18 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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There’s a lot of tape on Jeudy and Lamb catching post routes 3 yards behind a safety. That’s why they’re higher on the board. You can list all the stats that you’d like, but their YPC is higher because they get open deep and get behind the defense. That’s why they are where they are on the board. It’s a coveted skill and when you prove you can do it consistently then the NFL likes that. Those are killshot plays.
Uh. That’s definitely true for Lamb, but not Jeudy.
Jeudy is where he is on the board because he seriously has some of the cleanest, crispest routes. Like I don’t remember the last time I watched a college WR with routes as clean as his.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 7:26 am to SammyTiger
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He caught at least 1 pass 35 yards or longer in. 9/15 games this year.
Catching short passes & running a long way doesn’t make you a deep threat lol
Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:25 am to Rand AlThor
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Uh. That’s definitely true for Lamb, but not Jeudy.
I can recall quite a few long Jeudy touchdowns that are that exact play. Release inside, stem outside, post over the top of the defense. Arkansas, Mizzou, Tennessee, Clemson, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, Michigan are all coming to mind off the top of my head. Yea he runs great routes, but he's been a consistent deep threat in his career, particularly on that post route. He averaged over 19 ypc in 2018.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:42 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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Larry Fitzgerald ran like a 4.47 at his pro day and he might be the best possession receiver of all time. It’s not a knock. Fitz will be a first ballot hall of famer. Jefferson worked across the middle and in the intermediate area for the most part. Also known as a possession receiver. Don’t be so testy that Jefferson isn’t getting fitted for his gold jacket by everyone on the board.
Kid can take a hit too.
Took Skalski's targeting spear in the championship game like it was nothing.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:43 am to Riseupfromtherubble
quote:Jets is faster than Jeudy and Lamb. Just sayin...
There’s a lot of tape on Jeudy and Lamb catching post routes 3 yards behind a safety.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:56 am to PurpleandGeauld
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Jets is faster than Jeudy and Lamb. Just sayin.
He's the same speed as Jeudy for all intents and purposes. 4.44 and 4.45. It would be hard to tell who won if they were racing. 40 speed has little to do with getting open deep either. If you can run a great route you just have to be fast enough. Anything under 4.6 is fast enough. All 3 are fast enough to play the position. 2 of them consistently caught the ball behind the defense though. That's going to matter more to scouts than 1/100th of a second in a 40 yard dash in shorts.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 9:13 am to GMoney2600
I agree.
I think he will def be there at 24
He will probably be there later than that
I think he will def be there at 24
He will probably be there later than that
Posted on 2/28/20 at 9:17 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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I can recall quite a few long Jeudy touchdowns that are that exact play. Release inside, stem outside, post over the top of the defense. Arkansas, Mizzou, Tennessee, Clemson, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, Michigan are all coming to mind off the top of my head. Yea he runs great routes, but he's been a consistent deep threat in his career, particularly on that post route. He averaged over 19 ypc in 2018.
I'm not saying he didn't do that stuff. I'm saying that isn't why he is where he is on boards, cause it's not. He's there because he's an outstanding route runner.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 9:34 am to Riseupfromtherubble
It’s just an ignorant statement because Jefferson does run deep routes.
He also runs a ton of short routes.
He does everything well and he is fast as frick.
He also runs a ton of short routes.
He does everything well and he is fast as frick.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 10:01 am to SammyTiger
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It’s just an ignorant statement because Jefferson does run deep routes.
He also runs a ton of short routes.
He does everything well and he is fast as frick.
Well I guess that settles it then mate. No flaws in Jefferson's game. He'll be a steal at 12 for Oakland. Maybe one of Jeudy or Lamb will fall to 24
Posted on 2/28/20 at 11:19 am to GMoney2600
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Why not? He was a possession WR at LSU. He caught a ton of balls with a low ypc. Chase & Marshall were the big play guys for us.
He had some big plays, but he was usually the guy that kept the chains moving. I'm not saying that he can't become a big play guy in the NFL, but that wasn't his forte in college.
I'm not saying I don't like him. I'd more than pleased if we drafted him.
What in God's name are you talking about? He averaged 14 YPC and was the go-to receiver for Burrow when he really needed something.
Not to mention he had the TD that set this whole thing off
Posted on 2/28/20 at 11:39 am to SCLSUMuddogs
Jesus dude.
Sounds like a possession WR to me. You basically made my point for me.
That play was an intermediate route that he took to the house. That's not an example of a deep threat.
Some people just aren't getting the point that I'm trying to make. Stop acting like I'm trying to downplay how good Jefferson is. Some of you guys seem to be taking this thing kind of personal.
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He averaged 14 YPC and was the go-to receiver for Burrow when he really needed something.
Sounds like a possession WR to me. You basically made my point for me.
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Not to mention he had the TD that set this whole thing off
That play was an intermediate route that he took to the house. That's not an example of a deep threat.
Some people just aren't getting the point that I'm trying to make. Stop acting like I'm trying to downplay how good Jefferson is. Some of you guys seem to be taking this thing kind of personal.
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 11:43 am
Posted on 2/28/20 at 11:43 am to GMoney2600
Some people just remember that he actually ran go routes and caught deep balls in 2018 and 2019.
Everyone understands you’re point
You’re just wrong
Everyone understands you’re point
You’re just wrong
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