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re: I had a dream that Landon Collins will be our 1st round draft pick

Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:15 pm to
Posted by LSUZombie
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:15 pm to
If you think the LSU fans have been bad in their hate for Ingram, can you imagine the hatred for Landon Collins if he became a Saint?
Posted by bmy
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:17 pm to
Collins would be a very good run stopper for us. If this wasn't a down year for elite safeties.. I'd say he'd be worth an early 2nd round pick. Don't think we can afford to pick him with the needs of the team.

With us having a top-10 pick.. we should probably go BPA and get talent period. Cooper at #10 if his combine is as good as I think it's going to be.. fapfap.. Cooper, Ray, La'el Collins/A&M guy.

Dream scenario would be trade back to #16-20 and pick up an extra 2nd round pick
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:25 pm to
Ironically Cooper's combine is probably what will prevent him from falling to the saints. He'll run in the 4.3's and never make it past 6 or 7th pick.
Posted by bmy
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:43 pm to
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Ironically Cooper's combine is probably what will prevent him from falling to the saints. He'll run in the 4.3's and never make it past 6 or 7th pick.


Need him to interview really really badly
Posted by VA LSU fan
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:55 pm to
Cooper or bust. Trade next years 2nd to move up to get Amari. Dude fixes a lot with our offense.
Posted by Geauxgurt
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:57 pm to
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most of what i've read have said he's better than barron as well as haha which were high 1 picks too.


That's not saying much since Barron was so bad he was already traded like their golden child Trent Richardson.

They were busts, and that alone should be reason to stay away from Bama safeties because they are ridiculously overrated. It is much like Landry when he came out of LSU. Saban's safeties are just not that good out of college.
Posted by saintsfan22
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Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:05 am to
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Cooper or bust. Trade next years 2nd to move up to get Amari. Dude fixes a lot with our offense.



He's blocking now?
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
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Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:07 am to
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Saban's safeties are just not that good out of college.



Clinton Dix has been pretty solid this year. 94 tackles isn't bad for a rookie safety, it's 52 more than the Saints board golden boy Eric Reid. Barron has been a bust, literally every other Saban safety from Alabama has so far panned out though. Rashad Johnson has had a solid career in Arizona. Vinnie was off to a good start for a 5th rounder, Lester went from UDFA to starter at one point in Carolina.

Should GMs avoid Texas safeties because Vacarro is looking like a bust? Should they avoid LSU corners because Claiborne can't cover anyone? There's a tendency to paint with a very broad brush around here by those that aren't saints fans first.
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 12:12 am
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:12 am to
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Rashad Johnson has had a solid career in Arizona.


Played like 2 years under Saban, but he's a good one.

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Vinnie was off to a good start for a 5th rounder




Special teams player does not equal good start for a safety.

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Lester went from UDFA to starter at one point in Carolina.


You do realize how bad Carolina's secondary has been right? Being a "starter" by default doesn't mean much.

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Should GMs avoid Texas safeties because Vacarro is looking like a bust? There's a tendency to paint with a very broad brush around here by those that aren't saints fans first.


Not at all. UT's put out some decent safeties like Earl Thomas. They have a track record of good players. Bama on the other hand has had mediocre play from their "great" safeties or special teamers that are decent.

Same goes for Saban's safeties at LSU so it's not anything specific to Bama, but more so for Saban.
Posted by saintsfan22
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Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:16 am to
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Special teams player does not equal good start for a safety.

I swear SJB and Fortt have spectacularly lowered the bar for him because I keep seeing it written that he showed promised this year when all he did was get 3 special teams tackles.
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
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Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:21 am to
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Being a "starter" by default doesn't mean much.



Hmm. I guess you weren't one of the hundreds of posters crowing when Mettenberger started in Tennessee then. Kudos to you.

Saban has put 5 safeties into the NFL from Alabama. One of them could be considered a bust. If you think Clinton Dix and Johnson have played mediocre this year though, there's not going to be any convincing you otherwise. 94 tackles from a rookie and 89 tackles and 4 picks from Johnson this year, I imagine would be welcome numbers in New Orleans. Regardless that is far from "mediocre". Time to take off the purple shades.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
13318 posts
Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:32 am to
I said Johnson has played well, but I wouldn't put him as a top 10 safety in the league. Tackles are an overrated stat there buddy. No offense, but making tackles doesn't make you a great player.

Lofton is third in the league in tackles or something like that and is the 3rd worst rated LBer in football.

Hawthorne racked up tons of tackles while in Seattle and has been horrible with the Saints.

Stats mean absolutely nothing, especially when you count assists as half tackles.

Mett is a great kid, but he hasn't proven anything yet. He's starting because the Titans suck and have injured players ahead of him. He may turn out to be a good player in the NFL long term, but I'd say QB is a slightly different beast than QB. Then again, it doesn't fit your agenda.
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
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Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:45 am to
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No offense, but making tackles doesn't make you a great player.


Bush and Vacarro got that memo. It's damn sure a large part of the metric. I agree it can be a skewed stat, but Clinton Dix has been solid. 94 tackles in 9 starts is impressive, not mediocre like you claimed.

Point being, every school has busts. You can't point to one guy (Barron) and say all safeties from there suck when literally nothing supports that. Trent Richardson sucks, that hasn't stopped Eddie Lacy. Brandon Lafell is a dime a dozen WR, that hasn't stopped Odell Beckham.

This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 12:50 am
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
115643 posts
Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:48 am to
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Yeah. I do it too, but fans seriously overrate the draft in terms of impact. Like I said, you fill your needs in Free Agency as best you can, then you try to find the Best Available Talent at positions that make sense for the team.


You've got that backwards
Posted by MastrShake
SoCal
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 12/23/14 at 1:36 am to
Landon Collins is fricking terrible and I will eat my hat if he's even in the league in 5 years. he might look like an NFL safety and will probably put up great combine stats, but he plays incredibly stiff and is constantly lost in coverage. he practically gave away the Ole Miss game by himself. I don't even understand how he starts in the SEC

in this play there's 5:30 to go in the 4th, bama is up 17-10. Collins is number 26, in the middle of the field near the 20, the one who moves out of the WRs way so he can fall into the endzone and laugh hysterically.



Wallace didn't even pump fake or look Collins off, he just stared at Sanders (the WR) the entire time and then threw it



Collins (basically on the 5 yard line near the low hashmark) also gave up the winning TD a few minutes later. again, look at how he moves, stiff as a fricking board.



here he is (top player on the number 40 toward the bottom) almost giving up another TD by angling the WR to the middle of the field where he had no help



here he's on the "s" of Ole Miss, and I'll come to his defense this time and assume saban simply has him in the wrong spot and bama players are scared to think on their own or else saban will have one of his little hissy fits.

either way, hes in terrible position. hes on the left where theres 1 WR and 1 CB instead of the right where there are 3 WRs and 2 DBs. guess which side Wallace throws to for a 55 yard gain.



and here he is (basically on the X on the 35) back peddling toward the sideline while his guy goes to the middle of the field. he's bailed out by a terrible throw.



here he is starting around the Ole Miss logo to come up and miss an open field tackle. again, everything he does is stiff.



he's back deep on the kick return late in the 4th, right around the 20, when bama fumbled and Ole Miss took over on the 31. if his job was to run in a little circle and then go backwards instead of blocking, then mission accomplished


This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 11:36 am
Posted by Earn Your Keep
Member since Nov 2013
1417 posts
Posted on 12/23/14 at 8:05 am to
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If he was Landon Collins from Nashville TN then he's probably getting praised here for game sealing interceptions against MSU and Arkansas, thats just the nature of the beast.


In all fairness, you also have Alabama fans here who think Harper was still a good safety and talk about Mark Ingram as if he is a quality NFL RB. To be honest, isn't this why this thread even exists? Would this dream have occurred if Collins was from Nashville and had played college ball somewhere other than Alabama?

Plain & simple...safety is not our priority. Nobody should be looking at Collins simply because he played for Alabama.

It's just like if somebody here believes La'el Collins would be a good fit for the Saints because we need O-line help. If they want Collins simply because he played at LSU, then it's the wrong reason. We need a lot of help on both lines. It's time to fill the need and not worry about where they played their college ball.
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
26725 posts
Posted on 12/23/14 at 8:11 am to
It'd be nice, he's a great athlete at the position. Any coverage concerns come from comparing him to HaHa.

But he really wouldn't fill a need. Need some OL help.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 12/23/14 at 9:33 am to
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Need some OL help.


true, but guards and centers. Very rarely is there one top 14 worthy.
Posted by SOCAL TIGER
SOCAL
Member since Jan 2005
11368 posts
Posted on 12/23/14 at 9:37 am to
frick that guy,,,, and his ghetto family...Saints pick him and I am done!
Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
176247 posts
Posted on 12/23/14 at 9:40 am to
but his momma loves dem tigers
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