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re: How about some actual Tyler Shough highlights?
Posted on 4/28/25 at 10:11 am to Handsome Pete
Posted on 4/28/25 at 10:11 am to Handsome Pete
The funny thing about Shough I've noticed is that anyone that actually sits there and breaks down film really likes the guy. Anyone whose forming an arbitrary opinion on him doesn't really like him.
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Posted on 4/28/25 at 11:39 am to Handsome Pete
The age comes into play for me when factoring he effectiveness in a shite conference as a 25 year old. Not the age he enters the league at
Here’s his game log
Austin Peay and Jax St goes without saying
GA Tech 7-6, 72nd defense in the county
Notre Dame, 14-2, 5th D
SMU 11-3, 8th D
Virginia 5-7, 80th D
Miami 10-3, 1st D
BC 7-6, 53rd D
Clemson 10-4, 18th D
Stanford 3-9, 116th D
Pitt 7-6, 91st D
Kentucky 4-8, 33rd D
Completion % vs the good defenses - ND, SMU, UM, Clemson and UK was 57.06%
Completion % vs the rest was 66.6%
Here’s his game log
Austin Peay and Jax St goes without saying
GA Tech 7-6, 72nd defense in the county
Notre Dame, 14-2, 5th D
SMU 11-3, 8th D
Virginia 5-7, 80th D
Miami 10-3, 1st D
BC 7-6, 53rd D
Clemson 10-4, 18th D
Stanford 3-9, 116th D
Pitt 7-6, 91st D
Kentucky 4-8, 33rd D
Completion % vs the good defenses - ND, SMU, UM, Clemson and UK was 57.06%
Completion % vs the rest was 66.6%
Posted on 4/28/25 at 1:49 pm to P bean
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Pennix/Nix all hit the NFL at 24 years old.
Nix is now 25, Pennix is about to be 25.
Daniels is now 24.
Cam Ward is about to turn 23.
Shough is 25 going on 26.
The age really isnt a factor
Daniels played his rookie year at 23, as will Ward.
Nix and Penix was 24.
Surely you don’t think that’s comparable to 26?
Even if you do, these guys dominated college in their “elder” years. Ward played in the same shite conference as Shough and tore it up.
Penix was 2nd in the Heisman
Nix was 3rd
Jayden won it
Cam Ward was 4th
Posted on 4/28/25 at 1:57 pm to GynoSandberg
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Completion % vs the good defenses - ND, SMU, UM, Clemson and UK was 57.06%
Yeah, that's how season averages for QBs work - higher completion % against bad teams, lower against good ones, then you get an average for the whole season. Glad you figured that out!
Here's Nussmeier last year, notice something similar?
Posted on 4/28/25 at 2:03 pm to Handsome Pete
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igher completion % against bad teams, lower against good ones, then you get an average for the whole season
The games against good competition are more important. I hope nobody would weigh ripping up Austin Peay the same as a matchup against Clemson.
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Here's Nussmeier last year, notice something similar?
Probably weighed heavily into why he didn't come out
This post was edited on 4/28/25 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 4/28/25 at 2:08 pm to Handsome Pete
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Here's Nussmeier last year
As a 22 year old
Posted on 4/28/25 at 2:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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As a 22 year old
As I've said before, some of you won't be able to get past Shough's age. Fine. It may be an issue. It's probably why he was available in the 2nd. But there are actual NFL analysts that like him (Riddick, McShay, and Breer off the top of my head). And Kellen Moore likes him. You guys may know better, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. Plenty of young QBs have failed, let's give the old timer a shot.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 4:19 pm to Handsome Pete
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As I've said before, some of you won't be able to get past Shough's age.
If Nussmeier stuck around for 3 more seasons at LSU, how do you think his stats would look against 20-21 year olds in 2027?
Posted on 4/28/25 at 4:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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If Nussmeier stuck around for 3 more seasons at LSU, how do you think his stats would look against 20-21 year olds in 2027?
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As I've said before, some of you won't be able to get past Shough's age.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 4:55 pm to Handsome Pete
You can throw his age out the window
I’m just looking for something we can hang our hat on with him. Bring big, fast and having a nice arm hasn’t translated to any special production or even
For instance, a guy like Kyle McCord (22 y/o) went to Syracuse and led the conference in passing and got Heisman votes. Syracuse went from 6-7 the year before to 10-3.
What are we talking about with Shough? It’s a lot of “just trust me, he has the tools”
I’m just looking for something we can hang our hat on with him. Bring big, fast and having a nice arm hasn’t translated to any special production or even
For instance, a guy like Kyle McCord (22 y/o) went to Syracuse and led the conference in passing and got Heisman votes. Syracuse went from 6-7 the year before to 10-3.
What are we talking about with Shough? It’s a lot of “just trust me, he has the tools”
Posted on 4/28/25 at 5:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
jesus you are a negative bitch in every thread.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 5:02 pm to GynoSandberg
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I’m just looking for something we can hang our hat on with him
CKM hand picked him. Shuck had the 2nd best grade for QBs on our board.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 5:53 pm to Handsome Pete
Why didn't you answer the question?
The age becomes relevant on multiple levels.
1. His mid-2024 looks a lot worse when you take into account his age/years coached in college. Hence, the question I asked you above.
2. Unless he's a unicorn of unicorns, his development is close to its peak/apex. He's the 3rd oldest QB drafted in NFL history. The 2 ahead of him were terrible (and did more in college with the advantages above in #1)
Just because it's never happened before doesn't mean it's not possible, but it's EXTREMELY unlikely.
The age becomes relevant on multiple levels.
1. His mid-2024 looks a lot worse when you take into account his age/years coached in college. Hence, the question I asked you above.
2. Unless he's a unicorn of unicorns, his development is close to its peak/apex. He's the 3rd oldest QB drafted in NFL history. The 2 ahead of him were terrible (and did more in college with the advantages above in #1)
Just because it's never happened before doesn't mean it's not possible, but it's EXTREMELY unlikely.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 5:54 pm to GynoSandberg
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What are we talking about with Shough?
He played in a pro-style offense and had the white board/classroom experience advantage you'd expect in a guy after his 7th year.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 5:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
Well you're correct in repeating the very low success rate of NFL QBs from the second round.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 5:58 pm to goatmilker
Odds are very high that sfp has no fricking clue which odds will end up oddly mattering
Posted on 4/28/25 at 6:00 pm to Chad504boy
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Odds are very high that sfp has no fricking clue which odds will end up oddly mattering
Posted on 4/28/25 at 6:21 pm to Mouth
No that’s not the answer
Folks were acting like Derek Carr was some comfortable comp. Carr led his conference in yards and TDs three years in a row, including a 5k yard and 50 TD Heisman vote season
You’re charting out into dangerous territory when there’s no real production married to the loud tools. We are talking about guys like Will Levis and Daniel Jones
This is a top 40 pick. The best we can come up with is he ran for 100 yards on 25 carries vs ole Miss in a bowl game in 2022 so he’s gotta be a good runner
Folks were acting like Derek Carr was some comfortable comp. Carr led his conference in yards and TDs three years in a row, including a 5k yard and 50 TD Heisman vote season
You’re charting out into dangerous territory when there’s no real production married to the loud tools. We are talking about guys like Will Levis and Daniel Jones
This is a top 40 pick. The best we can come up with is he ran for 100 yards on 25 carries vs ole Miss in a bowl game in 2022 so he’s gotta be a good runner
Posted on 4/28/25 at 6:40 pm to GynoSandberg
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when there’s no real production
His production was immensely evaluated in part of the process and there was a focus on what he did this past year specifically cause that’s what he is now. You are not taking into account hardly any analysis of the scheme he played in, success w talent or really anything meaningful. And no matter what, swinging a 40 pick on a possible future qb is absolutely a shot we shot be attempting.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 8:36 pm to Chad504boy
The Louisville Qb the year prior went 10-4 and finished 19th in the polls. His name was Jack Plummer, it was his first year at Louisville after stops at Purdue and Cal.
Plummer 6’4 216, Age 23
395 attempts (Shough 389)
64.8 comp% (Shough 62.7%)
3,204 yards (Shough 3,195)
21 TDs (Shough 23)
12 INT (Shough 6)
8.1 Y/A (Shough 8.2)
144.4 Rating (Shough 148)
Plummer is on Carolina’s practice squad.
Same scheme and talent. Y’all really going to act like people are crazy for questioning the player
Ok. Just lead with this. And maybe perhaps having a QB on a rookie deal while you rebuild is great idea.
Plummer 6’4 216, Age 23
395 attempts (Shough 389)
64.8 comp% (Shough 62.7%)
3,204 yards (Shough 3,195)
21 TDs (Shough 23)
12 INT (Shough 6)
8.1 Y/A (Shough 8.2)
144.4 Rating (Shough 148)
Plummer is on Carolina’s practice squad.
Same scheme and talent. Y’all really going to act like people are crazy for questioning the player
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swinging a 40 pick on a possible future qb is absolutely a shot we shot be attempting.
Ok. Just lead with this. And maybe perhaps having a QB on a rookie deal while you rebuild is great idea.
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