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Good TP Safety Talk

Posted on 1/23/09 at 8:10 am
Posted by blueslover
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Posted on 1/23/09 at 8:10 am
Friday, January 23, 2009 By Mike TriplettStaff writer
MOBILE, ALA. -- -- There doesn't appear to be many elite safeties available in this year's draft, which is too bad for the league in general and the Saints in particular.
The position has become more important than ever, with the rise of three-receiver sets and other creative offensive formations.
And no position has made a bigger impact during this year's postseason, with Baltimore's Ed Reed, Pittsburgh's Troy Polamalu, Philadelphia's Brian Dawkins and Arizona's Adrian Wilson all putting on a spectacular showcase for a job that hasn't always been so valued in the NFL.
"Offenses have gotten so good at isolating and attacking the safety from the slot that your safeties have to be able to hold up in coverage," said Williams, who was with the Washington Redskins when they drafted Sean Taylor and LaRon Landry with top-six picks in 2004 and 2007.
"Offenses are spreading you out with three- and four-receiver formations, empty backfields and putting pressure on your safeties to make plays in space. Sean (Payton) is really good at that. Your safeties have to be able to cover and run, but they also have to play in the box and be physical.
"To be really, really good on defense, you have to be good at safety."
New Orleans, however, has struggled at that position for several years.
Perhaps the new coordinator and a new scheme will help -- especially if the Saints can take some pressure off the back end by getting more consistent pressure up front. But certainly the Saints will look for talent upgrades, as well, especially at free safety.
Dawkins is the best of the potential free agents, though the seven-time Pro Bowler likely will either re-sign with Philadelphia or come with an extremely high price tag.
Chicago Bears veteran Mike Brown and St. Louis' young standout, Oshiomogho Atogwe, also will be two of the most coveted free safeties if they hit the open market. New England's James Sanders is another up-and-comer.
At strong safety, Jacksonville's Gerald Sensabaugh could attract the Saints' interest after playing well under Williams last season. Miami's Yeremiah Bell, Cleveland's Sean Jones, Tampa Bay's Jermaine Phillips and Minnesota veteran Darren Sharper also are among the top-rated free agents.
The draft, however, likely won't provide any instant help to the Saints, who have the 14th pick in the first round but no second- or third-round picks.
The Saints still are looking long and hard at some of the top prospects during Senior Bowl week, though, including Missouri's William Moore, Western Michigan's Louis Delmas and Mississippi State's Derek Pegues.
What you need now is almost a hybrid corner-safety that can cover the slot, and another safety who can play the run but is still athletic enough to cover the deep ball," said Bengals defensive backs coach Kevin Coyle, who is coaching the North squad. "Safeties are being asked to do so much, they have to be smart, physical and have cover skills.
"Those guys are rare. There are only two or three of them that come out (in the draft) each year. That's why their value is rising."

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Posted by whodatfan
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 1/23/09 at 8:34 am to
I like dawkins, but I'd rather a young riser like atogwe from the rams. My bet though is that we don't take any chances at that position and get a starting saftey in FA. I guess I should say "my hope" rather than "my bet".
This post was edited on 1/23/09 at 8:38 am
Posted by cjgulina
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2005
1822 posts
Posted on 1/23/09 at 9:14 am to
The whole hybrid corner-safety talk kinda compliments the idea of Mike McKenzie moving to Safety... I mean if Usama Young or Randall Gay can step up and Tracy Porter pans out/stays healthy...I think moving MM to safety would be awesome.
Posted by Suntiger
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Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 1/23/09 at 9:15 am to
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Mississippi State's Derek Pegues.


That kid is amazing. I think he's a late first early second round pick and will be a good safety for a while. Probably needs to add some weight, but he's been a beast for Moo State. Glad he finally graduated.
Posted by The Sad Banana
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Posted on 1/23/09 at 9:20 am to
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Mississippi State's Derek Pegues.
He's also being tried at CB in the Senior Bowl. Don't know if he's a tweener or a solid S.
Posted by blueslover
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Posted on 1/23/09 at 9:22 am to
I had hope for Atogwe but the more I read the more out of reach i think he is. Dawkins looks like a resign. Now I'm shooting Jermaine Phillips- SS upgrade, Sensabaugh SS- GW would know if he was an improvement coaching him last year, or Sean Jones- SS but rangy enough for FS I think

I like Pegues mucho but he looks to grade out lower than a 2nd even.
Posted by Suntiger
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Posted on 1/23/09 at 9:39 am to
quote:

He's also being tried at CB in the Senior Bowl. Don't know if he's a tweener or a solid S.


He's 5'10", 190 lbs. He played CB his first two years and moved to Saftey his Jr. year. He was a physical corner, was a FS in the SEC and also returned punts and kicks (very well), so I think he has a good chance at being a legit NFL FS.

Might need a year or two and probably needs to add 10 lbs or so, but I think he will make an excellent saftey in the NFL. IMO
Posted by The Sad Banana
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Posted on 1/23/09 at 9:48 am to
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He's 5'10", 190 lbs. He played CB his first two years and moved to Saftey his Jr. year. He was a physical corner, was a FS in the SEC and also returned punts and kicks (very well), so I think he has a good chance at being a legit NFL FS.

Might need a year or two and probably needs to add 10 lbs or so, but I think he will make an excellent saftey in the NFL. IMO
Then, he's not a good pick for the Saints.
This post was edited on 1/23/09 at 9:49 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/23/09 at 9:50 am to
the franchise is going to fold in 1-2 years?
Posted by The Sad Banana
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Posted on 1/23/09 at 9:54 am to
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the franchise is going to fold in 1-2 years?
Let's hope not. It's just that it's not a good pick for the Saints this year, especially with them needing such an impact player with their picks. Given that they only have the first, two fourths and a seventh, I don't think it makes sense to get Pegues.
Posted by cjgulina
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2005
1822 posts
Posted on 1/23/09 at 10:28 am to
Yeah they need an impact Safety, but imo thats about it. IF we can stay healthy next year on D, i think we will be fine. I mean we could use some other guys (OLB), but as far as needing immediate impact players...there aren't that many spots.
Posted by blueslover
deeper than deep south
Member since Sep 2007
22792 posts
Posted on 1/23/09 at 11:21 am to
Dolphins | Goodman likely to test free agency
Thu, 22 Jan 2009 16:00:42 -0800

Omar Kelly, of the South Florida SunSentinel, reports Miami Dolphins FS Renaldo Hill, who is an impending free-agent, likely will test free agency because the feeling is he is not getting the team's best offer.
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Assets- Hard worker who responds to coaching. Good special teamer. Tough and nasty for a little guy. Keeps the play in front of him. Showed some big-play ability last year.
Flaws-Skinny and frail. Isn't blazingly fast and can get burned deep.
Career potential-Adequate starter.
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that's better than what we have now
Posted by baytiger
Boston
Member since Dec 2007
46978 posts
Posted on 1/23/09 at 11:31 am to
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Assets- Hard worker who responds to coaching.


good thing we have that now
This post was edited on 1/23/09 at 11:32 am
Posted by Suntiger
BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
32964 posts
Posted on 1/23/09 at 1:06 pm to
quote:

It's just that it's not a good pick for the Saints this year, especially with them needing such an impact player with their picks. Given that they only have the first, two fourths and a seventh, I don't think it makes sense to get Pegues.


If you're looking at safety picks, Mays and Berry are the only ones who could come in and make an impact right away and they're not coming out. I don't know what player is in this draft who would make an immediate impact besides the tackles and running backs. Maybe P. Jerry, Brandon Pettigrew, B. J. Raji, Aaron Curry??? I think this draft is deep in talent, but shallow on instant big impact players. IMHO
Posted by KindOfABigDeal
Houston
Member since Jan 2008
448 posts
Posted on 1/23/09 at 1:53 pm to
quote:

they need an impact Safety, but imo thats about it.


They need alot more, big guy. Alot more. They need two safties, at least one LB, another corner, a good rush end, a big back and a LT. That's what they need.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61511 posts
Posted on 1/23/09 at 2:33 pm to
quote:

They need alot more, big guy. Alot more. They need two safties, at least one LB, another corner, a good rush end, a big back and a LT. That's what they need.


To be perfect maybe. All that really is needed is to have a realatively healthy year and improve the defense enough to be top 10 - 15. A top 3 offense and a top 10 defense has as good a shot as anyone at the SuperBowl.
Posted by cjgulina
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2005
1822 posts
Posted on 1/23/09 at 6:37 pm to
quote:

To be perfect maybe. All that really is needed is to have a realatively healthy year and improve the defense enough to be top 10 - 15. A top 3 offense and a top 10 defense has as good a shot as anyone at the SuperBowl.


Thank you. Thats what I meant.
Posted by lsutigerfan58
Baton Rouge
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476 posts
Posted on 1/23/09 at 6:45 pm to
Cjgulina you are an idiot!
Posted by cjgulina
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2005
1822 posts
Posted on 1/23/09 at 8:34 pm to
Posted by zerocool
Member since Jul 2007
703 posts
Posted on 1/25/09 at 5:54 pm to
[quote]There doesn't appear to be many elite safeties available in this year's draft,[/quote What about that safety from USC? Is he entering the draft this yr? That guy is an animal. he's 6'3 230 and runs like a 4.4/4.5 40.
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