re: Food for thought on all the "why hate Ingram" threads

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You forgot about all the fumbles.

How do we have a running back that can't hang on to the damn ball.

Need to get Tim McGraw on his arse with the duckttape

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im just going to take the bait just to prove a point.

Ingram:
953 carries, 5 fumbles, 3 lost
149 receptions, 3 fumbles, 2 lost
1102 touches, 8 fumbles, 5 lost
1 fumble/137.75 touches
1 lost/220.4 touches

Thomas:
833 carries, 3 fumbles, 3 lost
336 receptions, 2 fumbles, 0 lost
1169 touches, 5 fumbles, 3 lost
1 fumble/233.8 touches
1 lost/389.7 touches

Ivory:
1000 carries, 16 fumbles, 8 lost
73 receptions, 1 fumble, 0 lost
1073 touches, 17 fumbles, 8 lost
1 fumble/63.1 touches
1 lost/134.125 touches

Robinson:
194 carries, 2 fumbles, 2 lost
25 receptions, 0 fumbles
219 touches, 2 fumbles, 2 lost
1 fumble/109.5 touches
1 lost/109.5 touches

so only the great PT had a better number than Ingram.

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more top 15

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His yards per attempt for a feature back (150+ carries) has been between 3, 5,and 11 the past three seasons, which is why I said 5-10. He also gets stronger as the game goes on and even when the Saints have the lead Payton seems to get away from him. I of course say seems because I haven't gone that indepth into the advanced stats, but I've let out a litany of adjectives describing Payton's playcalling after Ingram would rattle off two or three 7+ yard carries in a drive and then would not be seen again for the remainder of the drive.

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KRob 2014 62 yards

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Most fans remember him for this one run and act like he was the next great running back or the second coming of Ivory (which injury wise he was).

In reality he was just a really good spell back you throw in to hammer a few carries, much like what we did with Bell and Hightower.

He was also limited in that he couldn't pass protect and wasn't a good receiver.

And his last year here he had 50+ runs with a 3.2 average. It was an awful year.

While I liked him for depth in the hammer back role, that's all he was ever good for.

KRob stats

You take out that 62 yarder and his average that year drops from 4.8 to 4, and his career average drops to 3.75.

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Martin
Ajayi
Gordon
Ware

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Take out those and I can't argue your list much.

Ingram is borderline top 10, definite top 15 and he is also a good pass catcher and pass protector. He's a true 3 down back.

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Answer: He went to Alabama and was seen cheering on his team at the Super Dome when they embarrassed LSU. That's literally it

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Nah, that's not it.

He underperformed his first couple of years after we gave up a lot to get him.
He threw a fit on the sideline last year because he didn't get to score - like a toddler.
He doesn't fumble much, but he has fumbled at some horrific times.

It goes way beyond an LSU-Bama hang-up.

I HATED the Deuce Mcallister pick. I was in a restaurant and threw a fit. We had just sold out an entire draft to get Ricky Williams who was a really good RB and we passed on Ryan Pickett, Todd Heap, Anthony Thomas and Drew Brees. Plus he was from Ole Miss so I already hated him and thought he was overrated.

Then Ricky Williams was traded and Deuce became the guy and ran his butt off when we weren't that good and was a great guy in the community and became a Saints record holder and one of my favorite players.

That's why I don't hate Ingram. I think he may have been drafted to high compared to what we've gotten out of him. His first two years were not good. He doesn't score many touchdowns, and you don't really see him involved in the community. And he's had some durability issues. That being said, this offense isn't going to allow him big stats or anything and he's done really well the last two years. He's a solid player. No more and no less IMO.

He's a real prick in person and real life!

You are stupid. MMMMMmmmhmm buh bye

past 4 seasons :
avg. yds. per yr. 790.5
avg. yds. per carry 4.73
past 3 seasons :
avg. all purpose yds. 1215
Above avg. pass blocker
playing in a very predictable
rushing offense.
Playing behind an offensive line that has been no better than average run blocking.
If anything his performance has been gradually ascending. As far as I can remember we have had no one on the roster that earned there way into his job. I don't understand the problem.