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Does Rob Ryan keep his job at seaso end based on his performance this year?

Posted on 12/22/14 at 8:55 am
Posted by richbad
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 8:55 am
It also seem that Payton and Ryan were in a few heated arguments and don't see eye to eye.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 8:58 am to
no fricking way, in fact he'll be his brother's coordinator in Atlanta so it will be a mutual split to cover for the fact he's getting shitcanned

2 year robby
Posted by LSUZombie
A Cemetery Near You
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:00 am to
He shouldn't. He has been horrendous this year, even with a healthy roster.
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:02 am to
I'd keep him. Defense hasnt been the problem this year.
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43296 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:02 am to
I think he sticks around. The defense was decimated by injuries, so it's hard to say it was all RR's fault that the defense sucked. Plus, the D got a little better the last couple of games. If the D is awful again next season, he's gone for sure.
Posted by skinny domino
sebr
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:03 am to
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He shouldn't. He has been horrendous this year, even with a healthy roster.
well, the offensive coordinator should hit the road - also.
Posted by bountyhunter
North of Houston a bit
Member since Mar 2012
6328 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:11 am to
Honestly, the defense at times has been a product of the ineptitude of the offense. I'd like to see our defensive stats in games where our offense has more than two 3-and-outs in the first half. Based off of my crude memory of the season it seemed like a lot of our worst losses came at the hand of teams that jumped on us early, were able to run the ball, and shut down our offense in the first half of the game.

I'd bet playing the Saints this year has been a game-planners wet dream. The only teams we beat tried to win by going to the air and could not run the ball. Give Brees enough cracks at the egg and he'll eventually figure it out.

As far as Ryan, I think he's still a good DC. But if you look at our personnel our team is still stuck in the river between 3-4 and 4-3. We need a true #1/2 corner opposite of Lewis for the Ryan system to work. We need an edge rusher, yet again. Moneybags Blabbermouth Galette just ain't getting it done on his own. Now we have a contract large enough to match his mouth. Finally, we need some friggin linebackers to play a proper 3-4. Not sure why people are calling for Ryan's head when a team doesn't give him the personnel to be able to make a system work that he was brought here to create.
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 9:46 am
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:12 am to
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He shouldn't. He has been horrendous this year, even with a healthy roster.


Sean Payton's side was a bigger disappointment with far more $$$ and healthy on its side.
Posted by Sparkplug#1
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:14 am to
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I'd keep him. Defense hasnt been the problem this year.



You're joking about the defense, right? The whole team was garbage this year.
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:14 am to
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You're joking about the defense, right?

no.


Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
30550 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:14 am to
What part of the defense was healthy? The secondary sure as hell wasn't and that's the most important part of a Ryan defense
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
16328 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:16 am to
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You're joking about the defense, right? The whole team was garbage this year.


The whole team has been horrible, but you cannot deny the turnaround the D was making towards the end of the year even w/ the injuries. Outside of the Carolina game, the D had been playing well the past few weeks.
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
38259 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:16 am to
I don't see why not. He proved what he could do with a healthy defense last season and nearly 3/4s of what he expected to have in the secondary was out for the season. Now if they perform like that again next season with everyone back, then I'll start to admit they need some blame.

But once again and I'll keep saying it as many times as I need to. How about some blame for the fricking offense that was only able to drive any field distance one time in the entire game? Had they not been handed the ball on the 1 yard line, we probably get waxed again by at least 30-7 or worse.
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:19 am to
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How about some blame for the fricking offense


amen
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43296 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:20 am to
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What part of the defense was healthy? The secondary sure as hell wasn't and that's the most important part of a Ryan defense



agreed

LBers stayed relatively healthy. Otherwise, the entire D sustained lots of injuries. The line had a couple and the team was pulling free agents out of street clothes and thin air to suit up and play. The secondary was a MASH unit. Considering that, I think RR gets a 3rd year.
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 9:21 am
Posted by Thurber
NWLA
Member since Aug 2013
15402 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:21 am to
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The defense was decimated by injuries, so it's hard to say it was all RR's fault that the defense sucked. Plus, the D got a little better the last couple of games. If the D is awful again next season, he's gone for sure.

I agree with this
Posted by Sparkplug#1
Member since May 2013
7352 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:21 am to
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no


I know we lost key players to injuries but the defense sucked balls when everyone was healthy. I don't like looking at stats but I think we rank 31. But, that's not what matters to me. It's the win/loss stat that I look at. The whole team sucked. We couldn't even beat the falcons with all of their secondary injured. Falcons played to win, saints were just sucking up oxygen in the Dome. I really think coaching problems are some of biggest problems to address.
Posted by Sparkplug#1
Member since May 2013
7352 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:23 am to
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The whole team has been horrible, but you cannot deny the turnaround the D was making towards the end of the year even w/ the injuries. Outside of the Carolina game, the D had been playing well the past few weeks.


Agreed. Keeping them on the field most of the game doesn't help either. But, the entire team sucked this year. Our record proves that.
Posted by Mr. Wayne
Member since Feb 2008
10047 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:26 am to
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What part of the defense was healthy?


Not quite sure he knows what he's talking about. Our highest paid player, who was supposed to be the cornerstone of the D, has been out since week 4. Bunkley, Bush, Foster, and Butler all expected to contribute heavily and are sitting on IR. I hated the Ryan hire when it was announced. I still think he is probably a mediocre DC, but you can't lay all the blame on him. It wasn't his fault Jordan, Hicks, Galette, and Jenkins all took a step back this year. A defense cannot function without a pass rush, no matter how good the scheme is. He made a turd sandwich look like steak and lobster last year. The turds just started stinking again this year. I think he deserves another year.
Posted by bountyhunter
North of Houston a bit
Member since Mar 2012
6328 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:28 am to
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I know we lost key players to injuries but the defense sucked balls when everyone was healthy. I don't like looking at stats but I think we rank 31.

Pass Rush. Saints have been abysmal at getting to the passer all year. Well, guess what? We have a 3Tech playing the role of a 4-3 DT, which is a completely different play-style. Coupled with Hicks playing the other DT, which is a position he has proven he can't play, ultimately resulting in no pass rush. We simply don't have the personnel to make a 4-3 or a 3-4 work.

Ryan was creative last year with making it work with his personnel, but guess what... last year we had a weakness at stopping the run. I know it's a shocker to some people, but that's what happens when you are playing a lot of nickel/dime defense - you will get run on. Except last year our secondary was better with Greer and a healthy Lewis, and Vacarro playing close to the line. I haven't even touched on the on-field leadership vacuum left by Jenkins. If the Saints org gets rid of Ryan they are selling themselves short, IMO.
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 9:31 am
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