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re: Did the Saints overpay in draft picks for Olave?
Posted on 4/29/22 at 12:17 pm to Ponchy Tiger
Posted on 4/29/22 at 12:17 pm to Ponchy Tiger
Doesn’t it really depend on the quality of the draft versus what the team believes next years draft will be when it comes to addressing known needs? Seems like it’s hard to make a blanket statement about overpaying through draft compensation. They may have a player trade in their back pocket to recover picks as well, plus any compensatory selections they may have earned. Lots of way to manipulate draft currency.
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Posted on 4/29/22 at 12:28 pm to mindbreaker
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I think he was referring to what we had vs what we ended with. 16 doesn't factor in because we never used it. before the trades we had pick 18
you cant do that unless you tie in last years trades as well because they changed what picks we had going into this year as well before the eagles trade even happened
you have to start with what we went into the draft with or its selective cherry picking
we started this draft with picks 16 & 19 and 5 other picks, from there and only from there can you say what we paid to get olave at 11 and to do that we gave up
2022 1st (pick 16)
2023 1st
2024 2nd
Plus this years picks 98, 101, 120, 237
just to move up 5 spots to pick 11
This post was edited on 4/29/22 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 4/29/22 at 1:02 pm to Lester Earl
Once you get out of the 2nd round - early 3rd round, everything is a crapshoot. You can find gems, yes, but that involves a lot of luck and faith that you did your due diligence on the player.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 1:47 pm to keakar
No that's wrong because if you use what we started the draft at we didn't give up 120 and 237 because we didn't have them to start (those went out in the eagles trade).
It's the scenario everyone is doing that hates the trade. You can't add two different trades together to make your point.
You either have to use the assets we had before the eagles trade or the assets we had after.... Not ...and i can't stress this enough....Both
It's the scenario everyone is doing that hates the trade. You can't add two different trades together to make your point.
You either have to use the assets we had before the eagles trade or the assets we had after.... Not ...and i can't stress this enough....Both
Posted on 4/29/22 at 1:57 pm to Scoob
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They go into 2022 with Jameis and Mike Thomas back.
Its great to get Thomas & Winston back but a lot of people seem to be glossing over the impact of losing SP.
And Im not just talking about his play calling, Im talking about the attention to detail in his preparation for each opponent as well as his confidence in himself & his team.
There’s a LOT of NFL Teams that are desperate to find that in a HC. Payton definitely had/has it & DA didn't the last time he was a HC in the NFL - Hopefully well find out he does this year!!
Posted on 4/29/22 at 2:05 pm to Ponchy Tiger
It blows my mind that people think we overpaid and yet in the same breath say we should have traded for AJ Brown with the original pick we had...he got a $25M a year contract... that's an overpay
Posted on 4/29/22 at 2:11 pm to RightWingTiger
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There’s a LOT of NFL Teams that are desperate to find that in a HC. Payton definitely had/has it & DA didn't the last time he was a HC in the NFL - Hopefully well find out he does this year!!
I believe in the continuity of the coaching staff. Our staff is still intact and has worked with SP. They know what needs to be done.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 2:13 pm to mindbreaker
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You either have to use the assets we had before the eagles trade or the assets we had after.... Not ...and i can't stress this enough....Both
thats what i was trying to show, we had 16 & 19 plus 5 others because we went into yesterday with 7 picks
i guess i erred by copying the op examples after round 1, but i was trying to point out his numbers are all wrong because he was trying to do as you say, and mixing in picks we no longer had after the eagles trade to get us 16 & 19 as if the eagles trade never happened
This post was edited on 4/29/22 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 4/29/22 at 2:16 pm to keakar
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maybe oi erred by copying the op examples after round 1 but his numbers are all wrong because he was trying to do as you say and mixing in picks we no longer had after the eagles trade to get us 16 & 19
Ah yeah you did. lol not just this board I been explaining it to all day. Its the davenport costs us 37 picks all over again. Frustrating I mean I get the concern but sometimes you take those gambles if we are picking 32 next year we won by a lot.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 2:30 pm to Damone
Absurd
Posted on 4/29/22 at 2:58 pm to St Augustine
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It was a “third” round pick only because they consider comp picks 3rd, and a fourth rounder. That’s not overly expensive.we have a pretty stout roster overall.
That’s what they said last year and we were thin on WRs TE, FG kicker
You can find players in the later rounds. We have demonstrated that in the past. Sometimes three is better than one if you hit.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 3:13 pm to floyd13
quote:The Saints have been more competitive than either the Steelers or the Ravens over the last decade plus.
Saints need to learn from the Ravens and Steelers that you dont have to trade and give up extra picks to get a great player.
The league dynamic of finding and keeping talent changes, what worked for the 49ers dynasty in the '80s into the '90s
won't work today or tomorrow.
The Rams and their "frick them picks" mantra are holding the current championship.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 3:37 pm to mindbreaker
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Frustrating I mean I get the concern but sometimes you take those gambles if we are picking 32 next year we won by a lot.
ya the way the OP laid it out its like we gave up 6 picks to move up 5 spots when in reality it was just 3 and i consider the #16 a wash for 11 so i feel all we really gave up was a 4th and 5th and swapped our firsts. in that light it wasnt a bad move at all
the way guys were portraying this trade is very misleading
Posted on 4/29/22 at 3:44 pm to keakar
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i consider the #16 a wash for 11
The Saints didn’t because they gave up a 3 and a 4 to move from 16 to 11.
In the end it’s a great move if Olave is a pro bowl type WR. If not then people will always wonder what if.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 6:07 pm to Ponchy Tiger
Pay in the draft or end up with more practice squad WRs and then you’re crying every Sunday .. it’s costs to be the boss
Posted on 4/29/22 at 6:16 pm to Rand AlThor
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It blows my mind that people think we overpaid and yet in the same breath say we should have traded for AJ Brown with the original pick we had...he got a $25M a year contract... that's an overpay
Same type of people saying we should trade Michael Thomas for Debo Samuels. What a extremely dumb take!
Posted on 4/29/22 at 6:25 pm to Ponchy Tiger
Btw Pat Kirwin just did the card on this draft and said it was right on. meaning according to pts system developed many years ago no one under paid or over paid on this trade.
It was a fair trade
It was a fair trade
Posted on 4/29/22 at 7:21 pm to keakar
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all we really gave up was a 4th and 5th & swapped our firsts
That’s exactly what they did. Its not nearly as difficult as some people are making it out to be. LOL!
Posted on 4/29/22 at 7:30 pm to L.A.
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According to nfl.com, this is the trade the Saints made: We sent them #s 16, 98, and 120 from this year's draft for #11. That's it
Here are the last ten #98s:
YEAR-BY-YEAR BREAKDOWN OF 98TH PICK:
2021: Denver Broncos, C – Quinn Meinerz, Wisconsin-Whitewater
2020: Baltimore Ravens, LB – Malik Harrison, Ohio State
2019: Jacksonville Jaguars, LB – Quincy Williams, Murray State
2018: Houston Texans, TE – Jordan Akins, Central Florida
2017: Arizona Cardinals, WR – Chad Williams, Grambling State
2016: Denver Broncos, DB – Justin Simmons, Boston College (2X All-Pro and Pro Bowler)
2015: Kansas City Chiefs, DB – Steven Nelson, Oregon State
2014: Green Bay Packers, TE – Richard Rodgers, California
2013: Philadelphia Eagles, QB – Matt Barkley, USC
2012: Baltimore Ravens, G - Gino Gradkowski, Delaware
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