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re: Did a little draft research and I have a top 3 for now... (Draft talk thread)
Posted on 10/31/12 at 10:38 am to Chad504boy
Posted on 10/31/12 at 10:38 am to Chad504boy
Damn, I was doing research to disagree with you, but I think I've talked myself into it. I really don't know if Mingo can add enough bulk to be a 4-3 DE in the NFL. I though he'd be an OLB for sure, but he has potential.
The best comparison I could think of was Dwight Freeney. As a senior, Freeney was 6'2" and 250 lbs. per his Syracuse bio. His combine numbers were 6'1" and 266 lbs.
You can look at Elvis Dumerville as well. His combine numbers list him at 6'1" and 257 lbs.
Mingo is consistently listed at 6'4"/6'5" and 240 lbs. If he stayed his Sr. year, he could be around 250 pretty easily.
Freeney and Dumerville were/are much heavier. Freeney was about the same speed as Mingo. Both have had issues against the run but they have been difference making pass rushers.
I think Mingo and Cam could make a really good pair of DEs.
The best comparison I could think of was Dwight Freeney. As a senior, Freeney was 6'2" and 250 lbs. per his Syracuse bio. His combine numbers were 6'1" and 266 lbs.
You can look at Elvis Dumerville as well. His combine numbers list him at 6'1" and 257 lbs.
Mingo is consistently listed at 6'4"/6'5" and 240 lbs. If he stayed his Sr. year, he could be around 250 pretty easily.
Freeney and Dumerville were/are much heavier. Freeney was about the same speed as Mingo. Both have had issues against the run but they have been difference making pass rushers.
I think Mingo and Cam could make a really good pair of DEs.
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Posted on 10/31/12 at 10:39 am to blueslover
Sam Montgomery> Mingo IMO
especially in a 4-3...but I've been wrong before cough:sedrickellis:cough
especially in a 4-3...but I've been wrong before cough:sedrickellis:cough
Posted on 10/31/12 at 10:47 am to whodat912
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Sam Montgomery> Mingo IMO
especially in a 4-3.
Sam Montgomery just seems like the typical DE that we've always had. I want a mother fricker that gets to the mother fricking quarterback. Mingo is the best in this draft.
Mingo, Gallette, Jordan inside with Tez somewhere ... hide yo boner.
This post was edited on 10/31/12 at 10:48 am
Posted on 10/31/12 at 10:48 am to whodat912
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Sam Montgomery> Mingo IMO
especially in a 4-3
I think Mingo is a more complete DE. His injury history concerns me a little. I think Mingo is a pass rusher who can be added to a solid defense as a difference maker.
Simply my opinion though.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 10:48 am to Chad504boy
Its too early for all this. The season isnt even half way over. We have no idea what pick we'll have and who'll be around.
That said.
Im for any big time pass rusher to put on the dline.
That said.
Im for any big time pass rusher to put on the dline.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 10:52 am to Suntiger
Posted on 10/31/12 at 10:56 am to Chad504boy
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i think Mingo has a bright future as both a 4-3 De or 3-4 OLB.
i don't understand why people are saying he wouldn't fit... i've seen the 4-3 AND the 3-4 this year so a player with his versatility would be huge
Posted on 10/31/12 at 10:56 am to whodat912
the whole DE conversation has to be predicated on what their outlook for what we have now is.
Jordan looks solid and has a future
For Juneyah & Tez Wilson I feel somewhat like the give Ingram 25 carries thread... we need to see what we've got with them.
Galette has 4 sacks but still in limited snaps. He was in only 38% of the time last week.
The experiment with Wilson seemed like a good idea. He has made some big plays and had impact when he has been in. Same problem though- only 6 plays last week!?!
I'd like to see them both given starter reps just to define if there is real fulltime potential to be had.
IF that could be proven to the positive side it would be a huge boon to allow priority FA dollars or draft picks to be spent elsewhere.
Jordan looks solid and has a future
For Juneyah & Tez Wilson I feel somewhat like the give Ingram 25 carries thread... we need to see what we've got with them.
Galette has 4 sacks but still in limited snaps. He was in only 38% of the time last week.
The experiment with Wilson seemed like a good idea. He has made some big plays and had impact when he has been in. Same problem though- only 6 plays last week!?!
I'd like to see them both given starter reps just to define if there is real fulltime potential to be had.
IF that could be proven to the positive side it would be a huge boon to allow priority FA dollars or draft picks to be spent elsewhere.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 11:01 am to blueslover
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the whole DE conversation has to be predicated on what their outlook for what we have now is.
Jordan looks solid and has a future
For Juneyah & Tez Wilson I feel somewhat like the give Ingram 25 carries thread... we need to see what we've got with them.
Galette has 4 sacks but still in limited snaps. He was in only 38% of the time last week.
The experiment with Wilson seemed like a good idea. He has made some big plays and had impact when he has been in. Same problem though- only 6 plays last week!?!
I'd like to see them both given starter reps just to define if there is real fulltime potential to be had.
IF that could be proven to the positive side it would be a huge boon to allow priority FA dollars or draft picks to be spent elsewhere.
This what I know, Will Smith Shouldn't and hopefully couldn't be back next year. Jordan might be an ok DE but certainly will always lack a pass rush. Galette seems okay as a 3rd down burner to replace Cam but I don't think he's mcuh of an every down DE. Tez, not sure but tired of waiting. I kind of want him as a pass rushing OLB hybrid tool player, again... don't ever see him as a full time DE.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 11:13 am to blueslover
I'm a big fan of Wjerner depending where we pick, all he does is make plays.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 11:15 am to Chad504boy
I'll all for moving Wilson back to OLB and then drafting a Mingo type. Wilson and Mingo look pretty similar and i think we all thought Wilson might be able to develop into that type of player, but honestly with those moves, you solve two issues.
But I agree, Montgomery would be nice if
Mingo isn't there. If we pick high enough, you have to go the route of pass rusher. That would make the back 7 look much better. (Although I'm not opposed to still nabbing a corner in the 2nd or 3rd)
But I agree, Montgomery would be nice if
Mingo isn't there. If we pick high enough, you have to go the route of pass rusher. That would make the back 7 look much better. (Although I'm not opposed to still nabbing a corner in the 2nd or 3rd)
Posted on 10/31/12 at 11:28 am to whodat912
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Sam Montgomery> Mingo IMO
especially in the NFL
:kige:
Posted on 10/31/12 at 12:04 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
we dunno the draft territory we'll end up in and also free agency has to play out first too.
If not signing Lofton, Grubbs, or Bunkley last year those positions would have had a very different score for need in the draft.
Same thing, signing a UFA like Dwight Freeney, Henry Melton, Cliff Avril, or Umenyiora would change the DL perspective.
If not signing Lofton, Grubbs, or Bunkley last year those positions would have had a very different score for need in the draft.
Same thing, signing a UFA like Dwight Freeney, Henry Melton, Cliff Avril, or Umenyiora would change the DL perspective.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 12:13 pm to blueslover
I think Sam is a better fit than Mingo. mingo is too light, and isn't as good agianst the run. Sam is criminally underrated. IMO
Posted on 10/31/12 at 1:03 pm to SammyTiger
Yeah I never understood the Mingo>Sam NFL wise, Sam is what you ask for in any DE you want on your team. A good run defender and is a consistent pass rusher, he may not have the pure speed of Mingo but he's bigger and constantly gets it done against SEC tackles.
If you're a 3-4 team then yeah look at Mingo first, but I see Sam being a better fit in a 4-3. I guess you can't go wrong either way though, I just like the consistency and overall game of Sam more.
If you're a 3-4 team then yeah look at Mingo first, but I see Sam being a better fit in a 4-3. I guess you can't go wrong either way though, I just like the consistency and overall game of Sam more.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 1:48 pm to chrisksaint
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Yeah I never understood the Mingo>Sam NFL wise, Sam is what you ask for in any DE you want on your team. A good run defender and is a consistent pass rusher, he may not have the pure speed of Mingo but he's bigger and constantly gets it done against SEC tackles.
If you're a 3-4 team then yeah look at Mingo first, but I see Sam being a better fit in a 4-3. I guess you can't go wrong either way though, I just like the consistency and overall game of Sam more.
This
Posted on 10/31/12 at 2:04 pm to chrisksaint
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One of the better Mingo Comparisons available:
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Mingo is faster than Wimberly though. Wimberly ran a 4.6. Some stats I saw for Mingo have him around a 4.4 which is what Freeney ran.
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Yeah I never understood the Mingo>Sam NFL wise, Sam is what you ask for in any DE you want on your team. A good run defender and is a consistent pass rusher, he may not have the pure speed of Mingo but he's bigger and constantly gets it done against SEC tackles.
I think it's what you need/want on your team. Mingo is more of a boom or bust guy like a John Abraham, Dwight Freeney or Elvis Dumerville type DE. Montgomery is more of a Darren Howard, Joe Johnson, Robert Geathers or Ty Warren.
I think the Saints need a playmaker/pass rusher in the worst way. I think Montgomery will be more solid, but Mingo has the ability to make plays that change the game. I think we have our solid guy in Jordan. We need a playmaker.
Again, IMHO.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 2:08 pm to Suntiger
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I think it's what you need/want on your team. Mingo is more of a boom or bust guy like a John Abraham, Dwight Freeney or Elvis Dumerville type DE. Montgomery is more of a Darren Howard, Joe Johnson, Robert Geathers or Ty Warren.
I think the Saints need a playmaker/pass rusher in the worst way. I think Montgomery will be more solid, but Mingo has the ability to make plays that change the game. I think we have our solid guy in Jordan. We need a playmaker.
Again, IMHO.
i concur with most what you said. We need a game changing MOFO, not another pretty good guy. Mingo will go first cause pass rushers are more important.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 2:15 pm to Chad504boy
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not another pretty good guy
story of our defense since Haslett left.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 2:37 pm to Chad504boy
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2. Damontre Moore DE
Don't think he enters the draft until after his Senior season, could be wishful thinking but I just don't see it. Von Miller played out as well and that was his mentor. Also cant find it now but he said something along the lines about finishing school. Sean Porter would be a legit pickup though.
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