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re: Current WRs on Roster & Drafted/Undrafted Players

Posted on 5/13/14 at 1:04 pm to
Posted by SaintEB
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Posted on 5/13/14 at 1:04 pm to
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We still need a return man.


Need some competition there, but Cadet is capable. Its already been said that they'll try Cooks there, as well. But, specifically, we are talking punt return.
Posted by bonethug0108
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 12:26 pm to
Maybe Trip saw this thread: WR Battle
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1-3. Marques Colston, Kenny Stills, Brandin Cooks. All are locks. No need to discuss them.
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4. Nick Toon. After those three, I think Toon has the best chance to make the roster. The Saints are still high on Toon's potential, even though he failed to take advantage of his midseason opportunity for playing time while Lance Moore was injured last year. And I don't believe Toon was in the "doghouse” when he got benched during the second half of the season. He was the fifth receiver, and the Saints typically keep only four active on game days.

However, Toon will have to make sure he proves in training camp that he's ready to step up into a greater role -- and that he indeed could be an eventual successor to fellow big man Colston. Otherwise, the Saints might turn their attention toward someone like Coleman in that "redshirt” role.
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5. Robert Meachem. I think Meachem has at least a 50-50 chance of making the roster. But like I said above, he must earn one of the top four spots and be considered essential on game days. That's possible, since Meachem is the best blocker on the Saints' roster and a savvy veteran who knows the offense. But if someone like Toon or Morgan proves just as useful during the preseason, Meachem's job could be in jeopardy.
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6. Joe Morgan. Morgan, meanwhile, probably needs to beat out Meachem to make the team since they play similar roles. The addition of Cooks might have hurt Morgan more than anybody, since Morgan's best asset is his deep speed (he averaged a whopping 37.9 yards per catch on 10 catches in 2012!). Morgan is now on a one-year, veteran minimum deal after missing all of last season with a torn ACL.

Morgan still has great potential (at this time last year, he looked like a lock to win the Saints' No. 3 receiver job). He's just facing much stiffer competition now.
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7. Brandon Coleman. Among the youngsters, I think Coleman has the best chance of sneaking onto the 53-man roster -- or definitely landing on the practice squad -- because of his unique size and high upside. He'll have to prove he's worth the investment it in camp, though.
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8. Andy Tanner. Tanner was also hurt by the arrival of Cooks. A reliable possession receiver with deceptive speed, Tanner actually cracked the active roster in Week 1 last year before he was quickly demoted back to the practice squad. When the Saints released Moore, it looked like Tanner might have an opportunity. But now it might require an injury to create an opening. And unfortunately, Tanner, who is extremely popular among teammates and coaches, is no longer eligible for the practice squad.
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9-11. Chris Givens, Charles Hawkins, Seantavius Jones. All three will likely be competing for practice squad jobs. But you never know. The Saints have given plenty of opportunities to relative unknown receivers and running backs in the past.


Said basically the same stuff I did, but I wouldn't rank them in that order.
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 12:37 pm to
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but I wouldn't rank them in that order.


Same here.
I think if its the Morgan before injury he's 4th with Toon 5th and Meech 6th.

After this camp and the battle that is coming I think we may end up with the best damn 4th rec in the league.
Posted by bonethug0108
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 12:55 pm to
Yeah something along those lines. Definitely Colston, Stills, and Cooks at the top and I think Morgan 4th if healthy.

That's the big key and that also pushes Meach further down. If Morgan is still hurt I would maybe put Meachem 4th or at least 5th.

Toon will depend on if he shows improvement or not. He could possibly be 4th if it clicks and he really balls out, or he could be gone if the drops persist.

Coleman is another wild card as we have no idea what he can do at this level. He could be a beast, a good depth guy, a PS guy, or a "bust".

Just too many factors for me to say one way or another right now but I have an idea.
Posted by Patrick O Rly
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:01 pm to
Cadet can do it, but I'd like someone who was better at it.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:06 pm to
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Posted by Patrick O Rly
y u do dis?
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:08 pm to
Um, he isn't really good at it, like, at all. Had like one good return against SF, and that's about it.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:08 pm to
not talkin bout this thread. i blame it all on u.
Posted by The Sad Banana
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:21 pm to
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Cadet can do it, but I'd like someone who was better at it.
There are hardly any returns in the NFL anymore, anyway. Just get someone who won't fumble and/or lose yards.
Posted by Patrick O Rly
y u do dis?
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:22 pm to
There's still punt returns.
Posted by Midget Death Squad
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:22 pm to
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we may end up with the best damn 4th rec in the league.



I disagree. I don't like any of our guys after the top 3 at the moment. Maybe Toon will do something, but I don't see it after his horrendous 2013. Morgan? He has speed, but he dropped some bad ones prior to his injury. Now he may return with unreliable hands along with less speed. Only time will tell with these two. The rest? Garbage in my opinion. I like Meach the person, but he has been completely underwhelming as a player. Tanner is a pipe dream on these boards, nothing more. That leaves 2 UDFA Rooks, and who knows about them.


ETA: I think we will be bringing in another WR at some point this off season. Miles Austin maybe? Or even an Earl Bennett or Santonio Holmes. Basically someone with experience and some semblance of success that can come here as insurance.
This post was edited on 5/14/14 at 1:27 pm
Posted by The Sad Banana
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:31 pm to
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There's still punt returns.
You're right. But am I wrong for only wanting return men not to mess up when they get a punt rather than always wanting them to house it?

Of course I'd take a TD every time, but there's something to be said about possession and field position.
Posted by Patrick O Rly
y u do dis?
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:33 pm to
Ball security is crucial, but i'd still like consistent production, and at least the chance of taking it to the house.
Posted by MetryTyger
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:36 pm to
My ideal 2014 WRs

Marques Colston
Robert Meachem
Joseph Morgan
Kenny Stills
Nick Toon
Brandin Cooks

Darkhorses
Brandon Coleman
Chris Givens
Andy Tanner
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:37 pm to
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Darkhorses
Brandon Coleman
Chris Givens
Andy Tanner



WIth stills and Cooks, i think Tanner's chances are not so dark.
Posted by The Sad Banana
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:38 pm to
I don't really want Robert Meachem to make the team. But I think that could all depend on Nick Toon.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:39 pm to
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Robert Meachem to make the team. But I think that could all depend on Nick Toon.


Givens, Morgan, Jones, Coleman, etc.
Posted by The Sad Banana
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:42 pm to
Who's the huge 6'6" UDFA? Sorry, I haven't kept up with it like I would like to.
Posted by JPLIII
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:44 pm to
Coleman
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:44 pm to
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Who's the huge 6'6" UDFA? Sorry, I haven't kept up with it like I would like to.



This guy Coleman that is evidently the 5th best WR of the draft but none of the 32 NFL teams were aware of it. Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, ODB, Brandin Cooks, then Brandon Coleman. We got him, he's already made the roster and we're wondering why he's not going to hawaii with 82 catches and 1156 yds as a rookie. He's also made Jimmy Graham expendable.
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