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Posted on 1/1/17 at 8:42 pm to LooseCannon22282
We have had historically the worse defense ever, I think twice. How does this happen outside of terrrible personal decisions. Spags was the coach for one year and left and did well elsewhere.
Loomis, wtf, who made this mess?
Loomis, wtf, who made this mess?
Posted on 1/1/17 at 8:46 pm to t00f
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We have had historically the worse defense ever, I think twice. How does this happen outside of terrrible personal decisions. Spags was the coach for one year and left and did well elsewhere.
Loomis, wtf, who made this mess?
we've had BAD personnel decisions that costed 100mil+ from 2012-2015.
Lofton and Hawthorne's heavy contracts
Bunkley's heavy contract
Byrd's heavy contract
Galette's restructure+cut
Poor drafting
that adds up and thus we ate crap for it the last couple years. It's playing handicap and a HOF QB couldn't do much to offset it.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 8:46 pm to Peazey
what was his cap hit this year? 30 million?
just want to know.
won't change anything.. what's done is done.
well when you lose more than you win it crosses a lot of people's minds. No getting around that, bub.
just want to know.
won't change anything.. what's done is done.
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Blaming a standard qb's contract has become a tired excuse.
well when you lose more than you win it crosses a lot of people's minds. No getting around that, bub.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 8:50 pm to htran90
If Payton and Benson will not purge the problems this will not be fixed. This season was an abortion when the Raiders went for 2 at the end. How much more can Benson take?
Posted on 1/1/17 at 8:52 pm to LooseCannon22282
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well I mean we have had a losing record since he signed his big deal.
Correlation is not causation. When Payton first came to the Saints 10 years ago we had a string of unusual slam dunk finds with great value. Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks, Pierre Thomas, Marques Colston through the draft. Great value trades with Jon Vilma and Jeremy Shockey. We had value free agent signings like Hargrove and Fujita. This great personnel acquisition hasn't been there for years. This is what is actually to blame.
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the talent evaluation was poor for a few year but I think this past draft class has potential.
The talent evaluation has been pretty horrible for a while. We have 1 player left on the roster from the 2014 draft class for example. 2015 is looking fairly questionable in some ways with what is starting to look like misses on Anthony and Kikaha. There's always hope for the most recent classes because everything is still too early call. We'll see. I'm hoping for the best.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 8:53 pm to LooseCannon22282
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well when you lose more than you win it crosses a lot of people's minds. No getting around that, bub.
What should cross people's mind are things that actually, you know, make sense to a person who possesses the ability to reason and think critically... bub.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 8:54 pm to Vlatket
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11 years and not one time did he have a dominant defense
WRONG
Posted on 1/1/17 at 8:54 pm to Peazey
I agree with all of that.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 8:55 pm to Pendulum
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So you're not very educated on the status of the franchise and its salary cap, thats alright, you can probably still post shite online and no one will call you out.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 8:56 pm to Peazey
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What should cross people's mind are things that actually, you know, make sense to a person who possesses the ability to reason and think critically... bub.
okay, you can get off your high horse now.
We're just talking here.
Not sure where you're trying to go here but deuces, bro.
This post was edited on 1/1/17 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 1/1/17 at 8:56 pm to Breesus
i mean, this is what happens when your owner has effectively checked out and let the inmates run the asylum
Posted on 1/1/17 at 8:57 pm to TiGeRTeRRoR
then take a pay cut if you beez a team player..... 
Posted on 1/1/17 at 8:59 pm to LooseCannon22282
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what was his cap hit this year? 30 million?
Also, way the hell off. His cap hit was $17.25m. Are you maybe starting to see how your criticism is not based in reality? ...bub.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 9:01 pm to TiGeRTeRRoR
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What free agent signings have we made in the past five years that lead you to believe our front office will turn the team around with a few more?
They've missed on quite a few, but they haven't been completely inept. The big name F.A. have sucked massively, but they've done a really good job with the lower paid guys.
Hightower, Snead, Kelemete, Fairley, Robertson, Stupar, Breaux, Sterling Moore, BW Webb. We shoud be better next year if the FO has a good offseason...like we did in 2016(with basically no money to spend).
Posted on 1/1/17 at 9:01 pm to Peazey
I was asking.
it was just a starting point.
this isn't a vendetta against Brees.
blowhard.
it was just a starting point.
this isn't a vendetta against Brees.
blowhard.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 9:03 pm to Peazey
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Don't think this is the issue. They have paid up for defense. They just paid the wrong people. Galette, Byrd. Bad draft picks, Stanley Jean Baptiste. Etc. He also has signed a very team friendly deal this past year. Blaming a standard qb's contract has become a tired excuse.
This.
The salary cap has gone up quite a bit in the last five years. Brees' contract isn't hurting the franchise. Overpaying bad free agents (why would you sign Coby Fleener when you were already up against the cap and in bad need of defense?) and lots of dead money (don't forget C.J. Spiller) are the issue. Coach has to have every shiny new toy out there, and the GM can't keep from screwing the cap with terrible contracts.
This post was edited on 1/1/17 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 1/1/17 at 9:04 pm to TiGeRTeRRoR
Then maybe he should have restructured his contract like Tom Brady if he needs better players around him.
Can't have it both ways.
Can't have it both ways.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 9:05 pm to htran90
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We have had historically the worse defense ever, I think twice. How does this happen outside of terrrible personal decisions. Spags was the coach for one year and left and did well elsewhere.
Loomis, wtf, who made this mess?
we've had BAD personnel decisions that costed 100mil+ from 2012-2015.
Lofton and Hawthorne's heavy contracts
Bunkley's heavy contract
Byrd's heavy contract
Galette's restructure+cut
Poor drafting
This needs to end in this offseason and I think Brees is saying this. Get rid of the buddy coaches, purge management, get new blood in. None of this is working now, fricking none of it.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 9:07 pm to t00f
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Get rid of the buddy coaches,
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