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re: BPA vs "need"
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:38 pm to LSUFreek
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:38 pm to LSUFreek
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But this is a BPA Saints draft. We have to live with that and accept it as fact.
yeah, i know. Like I said, i like the players. Just not the strategy, especially after 5 years of us drafting value players while also filling need.
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Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:39 pm to Lester Earl
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we still havent picked a LB yet.
I'm sure the Saints would have loved to have picked a LB. But, they weren't willing to reach to do so.
So, unless you can point to a LB or DT that we should have picked in round 1 or 2, I just don't see the argument.
Payton himself said they liked Washington at 64, but not at 32. That pretty much says it all.
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Sorry i didnt know you had access to teams' draft boards.
you mean sites run by guys like adam wilson?
Its awesome how the only time you visit saints talk is to bitch.
Everybody on NFLN had him going exactly where he went: LINK
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:40 pm to Lester Earl
i just don't know if our coaches expect a ton of roster turnover in the next year or what
assuming our front office doesn't go cheap, our first 3 picks don't look to start for years and years
assuming our front office doesn't go cheap, our first 3 picks don't look to start for years and years
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and just b/c he runs a 4.45 isn't amazing...that's the borderline for speed for man-coverage CB in the NFL.
His 4.38 pro day speed is amazing. His gameday speed is amazing regardles of straightline forty speed. Robinson will contribute this year. He is not a boom or bust player. He is starting material for most other teams.
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again...he's a backup to a backup
We run a lot of two TE sets in the red zone. If Shockey or Dave Thomas is ever out (which is probable), is he still a backup? I didn't think so.
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4th and 5th round picks were need, not BPA
When you trade up, you are trading up for the best player available on your board. But like I said earlier, they do touch areas of need.
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:41 pm to eyeran
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Everybody on NFLN had him going exactly where he went: LINK
because they all knew we'd reach for need
they knew the saints needed a CB and RB, and they wrote their mock drafts accordingly
your link hurts your argument
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
I think Charles Brown and Graham could start next year (Graham in 2 TE sets obviously). Robinson is the biggest question. If they don't move Jenkins to FS, I have no idea.
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:43 pm to LSUFreek
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He is not a boom or bust player.
dude he wasn't even good in college, let alone great
being a raw athlete who was very inconsistent in college (great some games, horrible others) means you're a boom/bust pick
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If Shockey or Dave Thomas is ever out (which is probable), is he still a backup?
yes
our base offense wouldn't even have TE as a consistent starter with all the 3 WR sets we run
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When you trade up, you are trading up for the best player available on your board.
but you trade up b/c they're a good player at an area of need. otherwise, all rational actors would try to trade up all the time to get the "BPA"
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Yeah thats why only three of them had him going to the Saints. The others had him gone one pick later
they knew the saints needed a CB and RB, and they wrote their mock drafts accordingly
your link hurts your argument
AWESOME point though SFP. You're really on today
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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no he didn't
the consensus had him run in the 4.5s
this is on OSU's notoriously fast surface, which typically has guys lose 0.15-0.2 from their combine 40
Yeah, that never happens at other schools.
You are reaching to hang on to poor support for your argument.
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:49 pm to eyeran
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Yeah thats why only three of them had him going to the Saints.
3 out of fricking 5
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The others had him gone one pick later
to another team who needed CBs
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i was tryin to bring up a lot of these last night before i went out
you mean, you actually leave your computer? you must have an iphone.....
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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dude he wasn't even good in college, let alone great
Wow.
You continue to amaze me with your lack of football acumen, as you have for years on end. Bottomline: Sean Payton agrees with me, not you.
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:50 pm to whodatfan
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you mean, you actually leave your computer? you must have an iphone
the frick?
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:51 pm to LSUFreek
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You continue to amaze me with your lack of football acumen,
what the frick did robinson do at florida state? what kind of consistent results did he have?
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:52 pm to moneyg
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So, unless you can point to a LB or DT that we should have picked in round 1 or 2, I just don't see the argument.
for the 100th time, i had no problem with our 1st round pick
this draft was deep. There are going to be a lot of good LB's that come out of this draft taken from rounds 2-5
we'll have a TE, a C, and OT to show for it.
they traded up for a C so clearly they dont think LB is a need. We'll see how it plays out this offseason and regular season. It would have been nice to have some young talent there and not a bunch of special team guys
obviously they think highly of adding OL depth and TE depth, i just question why they ignore LB depth and lack of a starter at OLB right now
This post was edited on 4/24/10 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:52 pm to LSUFreek
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You continue to amaze me with your lack of football acumen, as you have for years on end. Bottomline: Sean Payton agrees with me, not you.
smackdown in swaggtown......
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:53 pm to Lester Earl
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so clearly they dont think LB is a need.
after last night i think it was clear they did nto want to address LB in the draft
i don't know what that says
i hope they're not gambling on guys on our roster unless there has been some amazing practices in the offseason
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
Ok i wont ask you to reveal your inside sources that had him graded as a 2nd or 3rd rounder.
You're correct as always even though ive given about 10 different people calling you on your bullshite
You're correct as always even though ive given about 10 different people calling you on your bullshite
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:56 pm to Lester Earl
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anyone remember Antonio Pittman???? BPA pick
Yea like I said earlier, BPA is definitely boom or bust. If it works out, then they look like geniuses, but if it doesn't then everyone will say they should have addressed a need. I still like it because if you pay too much attention to your needs then you will most likely reach for someone that doesn't have as much potential as the BPA.
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