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re: BPA vs "need"

Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:25 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:25 pm to
brah jenkins ran between a mid 4.5 and a 4.6
Posted by LSUFreek
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Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:25 pm to
Lester, you know I am as big a NEED guy as you. I agree, we could have had quality guys if we went with need as well.

But this is a BPA Saints draft. We have to live with that and accept it as fact.

1. I'd like to think the Saints drafted a 4.4 speed cover corner that could put our CB position into the top 3 secondaries in the NFL.
2. Quality LT's are hard to come by in the NFL. The Saints added a quality first-round grade 6-5, 297 LT making our situation solid for years to come.
3. The Saints added a 6-6, 270, 4.5 sp TE that has the potential to be one of the most lethal TE's in the NFL.
4. The Saints added a 6-4, 309 DT that has undeniable athleticism and tools that just needs Gregg Williams' touch. DT was also a need.
5. The Saints added a 6-5, 300 quality Center who can compete with Goodwin & who can also play backup guard (which is a need position).

Also given that NFL.com's draft grades put almost all of these guys as 2nd rounders, It's like having five 2nd round picks. This was quite a draft considering we went going all BPA.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:26 pm to
We had no 2nd back.

No different than the Cowboys drafting Felix Jones
Posted by moneyg
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Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:27 pm to
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EVen the pick of Brown I could understand if they deal Jammal Brown. Cause we'll need him. But that hasnt happened yet, which makes it questionable until it does


So, this is about Jimmy Graham?
Posted by EmperorGout
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Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:29 pm to
Lester, you know full well we're not going into the season with 5 OTs on the roster. Something is going to happen.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:29 pm to
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I'd like to think the Saints drafted a 4.4 speed cover corner that could put our CB position into the top 3 secondaries in the NFL.

our starting CBs may be #1...our safties will hurt out overall secondary ranking

and just b/c he runs a 4.45 isn't amazing...that's the borderline for speed for man-coverage CB in the NFL. i am glad they learned from the jenkins mistake last year though

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Quality LT's are hard to come by in the NFL.

but we already have 2 of them. you can only start 1. even if we deal brown, we still have a young starter

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The Saints added a 6-6, 270, 4.5 sp TE that has the potential to be one of the most lethal TE's in the NFL.

again...he's a backup to a backup

another boom/bust raw athletic talent (like robinson)

4th and 5th round picks were need, not BPA
Posted by eyeran
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Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:30 pm to
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THEY TRADED UP TO GET HIM!

its pretty black and white
Since caps mean more: THAT DOESNT MEAN HE WASNT THE BEST PLAYER ON THEIR BOARD

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he was the best CB in a weak CB draft dude. Come on.
He went where he was rated. BPA
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not really. Who were our safties in 06 before that draft? We hadnt had an impact safety since Sammy Knight before then.
We couldve drafted starters at corner, linebacker, oline, WR, d line.... with our 2nd round pick in 2006

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it could have been a flier, sure. Doesnt mean OG wasn't a need. He was a guy from a small school that came in and started. Meaning, he had no competition. It was definitely a need
Ok you can believe we drafted an injured guard from Bloomsburg thinking he come in and start
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:31 pm to
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THAT DOESNT MEAN HE WASNT THE BEST PLAYER ON THEIR BOARD

pretty much anytime you trade up, it's for need

of course the guy is higher on your board then than when you could pick him. that's the entire reason to trade up

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He went where he was rated

i remember reading a lot of teams having 2nd/3rd round grades on him...esp the man teams
Posted by moneyg
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Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:31 pm to
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brah jenkins ran between a mid 4.5 and a 4.6


So did Joe Hayden.
Posted by The Goat
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Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:31 pm to
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We had no 2nd back.

No different than the Cowboys drafting Felix Jones


the cowboys did have near the glaring deficiencies elsewhere that the Saints had when they used a number 1 pick to draft Duece. Your analogies speak to your ignorance.

the idea that one can cement an argument by making a moronic comparison is not lost on your dumb arse.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:33 pm to
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So, this is about Jimmy Graham?



i would have rathered a defensive player with the 2nd pick regardless

just saying, i could live with it a little more if, say, Charles Brown is starting next year.


we still havent picked a LB yet.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:33 pm to
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So did Joe Hayden.

not at his pro day
Posted by eyeran
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Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:34 pm to
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i remember reading a lot of teams having 2nd/3rd round grades on him...esp the man teams
Find one legit draft source that didnt have Jenkins going late 1st at the absolute worst
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:34 pm to
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the cowboys did have near the glaring deficiencies elsewhere that the Saints had when they used a number 1 pick to draft Duece. Your analogies speak to your ignorance.

dude

deuce was drafted by a different regime than the one who drafted ricky
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:34 pm to
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one legit draft source

you mean sites run by guys like adam wilson?
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:35 pm to
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Since caps mean more: THAT DOESNT MEAN HE WASNT THE BEST PLAYER ON THEIR BOARD



Posted by moneyg
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Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:35 pm to
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not at his pro day


Neither did Jenkins who ran a 4.45
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:36 pm to
Well summed up


Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:37 pm to
You seem more interested in insulting, rather than proving your arguments truthfulness.

You even conceded my point. Saying we had more glaring deficiencies, concedes that Deuce was a need.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:38 pm to
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enkins who ran a 4.45

no he didn't

the consensus had him run in the 4.5s

this is on OSU's notoriously fast surface, which typically has guys lose 0.15-0.2 from their combine 40
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