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Blind QB Stats- Which Would You Rather if Salary was Equal?
Posted on 2/16/23 at 1:25 am
Posted on 2/16/23 at 1:25 am
QB 1:
TD’s: 18
INT’s: 9
Passer Rating: 95.2
Comp %: 66.7
YPA: 7.6
Bad Throw Percentage: 12.4%
3 Pro Bowl Appearances
83-77 Career Record
QB 2:
TD’s: 24
INT’s: 14
Passer Rating: 86
Comp %: 60.4%
YPA: 7.0
Bad Throw Percentage: 20%
3 Pro Bowl Appearances
63-79 Career Record
TD’s: 18
INT’s: 9
Passer Rating: 95.2
Comp %: 66.7
YPA: 7.6
Bad Throw Percentage: 12.4%
3 Pro Bowl Appearances
83-77 Career Record
QB 2:
TD’s: 24
INT’s: 14
Passer Rating: 86
Comp %: 60.4%
YPA: 7.0
Bad Throw Percentage: 20%
3 Pro Bowl Appearances
63-79 Career Record
This post was edited on 2/16/23 at 1:28 am
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Posted on 2/16/23 at 2:45 am to 3PieceSpicy
Give me the price tag, because I’m not comfortable paying either one $40M+.
Posted on 2/16/23 at 3:16 am to 3PieceSpicy
Age is still a factor, but yes, QB1 is more efficient. People make excuses for Carr. I think his price is ridiculous for the production, but that's my own opinion. I don't think it's a good sign if you are already making excuses to justify someone around that price range.
Posted on 2/16/23 at 5:46 am to beauchristopher
30-40m is the price for an above average starter. Unless you're getting a QB on a rookie deal or a reclamation project you will be paying that, you would be paying 45-55m for those a tier above now.
Burrow, Hebert, and Lawrence will each command 50m when it is their time. Tua will be in that range with another strong season. Watch Daniel Jones get 40m after next season as well.
Burrow, Hebert, and Lawrence will each command 50m when it is their time. Tua will be in that range with another strong season. Watch Daniel Jones get 40m after next season as well.
Posted on 2/16/23 at 6:03 am to 3PieceSpicy
Why use career record and career pro bowls, but not career stats? Wonder why Dalton is expected to be much cheaper and less pursued? Probably bc this season for both is out of character if you look at 3 and 5 year samples
This post was edited on 2/16/23 at 6:58 am
Posted on 2/16/23 at 8:17 am to 3PieceSpicy
quote:
QB 1:
TD’s: 18
INT’s: 9
You didn't provide pass attempts or number of games, but just looking at 18 touch downs (no rushing stats) I can tell you this QB1 ain't winning you much games. At best game manager with what has to be a damn good defense to keep opponents scores down to win games.
Question is do we have that defense? This past season we were:
Sacks-Tied 6th (48, very surprising)
Hurries-29th (30)
Points allowed-5th (309, 20.3/g)
Rushing allowed-24th (2218, 130.5/g))
Passing allowed-2nd (3134; 184/g)
Yards per game-28th (314.8)
Interceptions-30th (7)
Forced Fumbles-t16th (14)
Fumbles reco-t23th(7)
DL outlook doesn't look very good for next year.
-Cam will be another year older, I expect his sack/hurries to dip but have him still be solid against run
-Davenport hurt often and disappears some games
-Turner healthy scratch some games, looked good in some games and also disappeared in some
-Granderson rotational pass rusher, quality backup
-Kpassagnon just another guy
-Onyemata solid, but no guarantee he's even on the team
-Tuttle/Roach/Street/Huggins, all decent against run but no pass rush
-Davis/Werner/Ellis should still be good-great
-Lattimore/Adebo/Roby/Taylor is as good a foursome at CB in the league as you could have
-Maye & Mathieu still leave some to be desired
Posted on 2/16/23 at 8:34 am to msstate7
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Probably bc this season for both is out of character if you look at 3 and 5 year samples
But it's out of character for Carr in the sense that the offensive talent around him got way better and he performed at his worst. That can't be discounted. Carr has at least had some continuity whereas Dalton was on his 4th team in 4 years. It'd be disingenuous to use such samples. It's a "what have you done for me lately" league, not a "what you did for me in 2016" league.
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Doug_H
You didn't provide pass attempts or number of games, but just looking at 18 touch downs (no rushing stats) I can tell you this QB1 ain't winning you much games. At best game manager with what has to be a damn good defense to keep opponents scores down to win games.
But that's a fairly decent tradeoff for a better passer rating, better completion percentage, better Y/A, and less picks.
Now what if I told you that QB1's top WR were both rookies - 1 of which was an undrafted FA from Weber St while QB2 was throwing to one of the most dominant WR of our generation and arguably the best current WR in the league while having the league's leading rusher behind him?
Posted on 2/16/23 at 8:35 am to Doug_H
quote:
Sacks-Tied 6th (48, very surprising)
Cam Jordan 8
Kaden Ellis 7
DeMario Davis 6.5
Granderson 5.5
Onyemata 5
Street 3
JT Gray 2.5
Tuttle 2
Kpassagnon 2
Turner 2
Mathieu 1
Chris Harris 1
Roach 1
Davenport 0.5
Posted on 2/16/23 at 8:41 am to LooseCannon22282
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Turner 2
Davenport 0.5
2.5 sacks is what 3 1sts & a 5th got us from 2 players still on their rookie deals, huh. Lovely.
Posted on 2/16/23 at 8:55 am to Doug_H
quote:
but just looking at 18 touch downs (no rushing stats)
Both offenses had 12 rushing TDs
quote:
QB1 ain't winning you much games
QB2 may be able to get you a few more wins, but those extra INTs may also mean he's costing you a few more games as well.
quote:
You didn't provide pass attempts or number of games
QB1 played 14 games and threw 378 passes
QB2 played 15 games and threw 502 passes
Posted on 2/16/23 at 9:06 am to VictoryHill
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But it's out of character for Carr in the sense that the offensive talent around him got way better and he performed at his worst. That can't be discounted.
You can when you factor in the Josh McDaniels effect. As a HC, his offensive rankings were 15th in 2009, 13th in 2010, and 12th in 2022.
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Carr has at least had some continuity whereas Dalton was on his 4th team in 4 years.
Carr had 3 different HCs over the past 3 years, including the sudden departure of Gruden. 6 different HCs over his 9 year career, luckily only 4 different OCs. Not really the definition of continuity.
Is Carr the answer, most likely not. At least not without revamping the defense due to the FA hurdles this team is currently facing. But he may be the best available option for this team. The big question is at what cost. How will Loomis hamstring this roster by continuing to kick the can down the road to win "regular season games" now.
Posted on 2/16/23 at 9:20 am to Weekend Warrior79
I will be glad when Carr talk is over. He turned us down. Do some here think we now offer him more money? I would imagine he was offered our best deal. He's going to a highest bidder Jets or Carolina perhaps.
Posted on 2/16/23 at 9:33 am to 3PieceSpicy
QB1 (Dalton) is 3.5 years older. His pro bowl years were (2011, 2014, 2016). 2016 was his last season with above 3,500 yards.
QB2 (Carr) has four pro bowl appearances and they were (2015–2017, 2022). He had 4,800 yards in 2021. 4,100 in 2020, 4,000 in 2018 & 2019.
One of these guys is on the downswing of his career. The other one had a bad year. I like Dalton, but Carr is 100% the better option for the same price tag.
QB2 (Carr) has four pro bowl appearances and they were (2015–2017, 2022). He had 4,800 yards in 2021. 4,100 in 2020, 4,000 in 2018 & 2019.
One of these guys is on the downswing of his career. The other one had a bad year. I like Dalton, but Carr is 100% the better option for the same price tag.
Posted on 2/16/23 at 9:47 am to goatmilker
quote:
I will be glad when Carr talk is over.
He signs here, half the board will want to revolt for overspending on a shitty QB. Signs somewhere else, there will be weekly game day threads every time he does something remotely good and 75% of the board will be pissed we didn't get him (at least for the 1st year, then it'll probably drop to 20%)
Posted on 2/16/23 at 9:47 am to notbilly
quote:
I like Dalton, but Carr is 100% the better option for the same price tag.
Dalton is not signing for anywhere near what Carr will demand on the open market
Posted on 2/16/23 at 9:48 am to Weekend Warrior79
quote:
You can when you factor in the Josh McDaniels effect. As a HC, his offensive rankings were 15th in 2009, 13th in 2010, and 12th in 2022.
I don't understand your stance. McDaniels produces offenses consistently in the top half of the league as HC and this is a negative in the McDaniels camp but not the Carr camp. Top 12 offense last year and Carr had ZERO consistency.
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Carr had 3 different HCs over the past 3 years, including the sudden departure of Gruden. 6 different HCs over his 9 year career, luckily only 4 different OCs. Not really the definition of continuity.
That's why I said "some continuity." Context matters. Words matter. Now compare that to Andy Dalton, 4 HC, 4 OC, 4 completely different sets of players and 4 new living areas. Carr's is cake compared to Dalton's.
Posted on 2/16/23 at 10:06 am to 3PieceSpicy
Our best bet at this point is to find a hair follicle or toenail that Drew Brees left before moving back to California.
Clone him
In 20 yrs we might have a shot again
Clone him
In 20 yrs we might have a shot again
Posted on 2/16/23 at 4:01 pm to notbilly
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Carr has 4 Pro Bowl Appearances
I obviously didn’t count the one in 2022. Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Tua, etc opted out of the Pro Bowl.
Carr was literally the 12th best QB in the AFC this year. So I refuse to count that appearance. Huntley was also in the game due to all of the AFC dropouts.
I get the age argument.
The reason why I included the salary bit is because, I doubt the Salary will be equal. Dalton made $3M last year. Carr made $40M.
I expect that gap to narrow, but Carr will definitely still be paid significantly more than Dalton
And based on these stats, that seems pretty ridiculous.
Carr also had Davante Adams as a number 1 receiver. Dalton had Olave who dropped the ball every time he was contacted or hit the ground semi hard.
Jacobs was also a Top 2 RB this season. Kamara was non existent.
I’m not even a Dalton guy. I was not hyping him up at all this season. I made the thread bc people seemed to be hyped up about Carr and I simply think the brakes should be pumped on his potential impact.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 7:52 am to Weekend Warrior79
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Dalton is not signing for anywhere near what Carr will demand on the open market
Of course not. My comment about the 'same price tag' was referring to the OP which said "if Salary was Equal".
Posted on 2/17/23 at 9:35 am to Purple Crayola
quote:
30-40m is the price for an above average starter. Unless
Which is why I subscribe to the idea of keep drafting qb’s until you find a good one instead of paying $40 mil for an ok one. frick people talking bout Danny Dimes gonna get $40 mil per. Insane.
This happens in basketball. Teams will just give their guy the max when he is nowhere close to being worth that. Then you are stuck with a good player who isn’t helping you win games making the same amount as fricking Giannis.
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