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re: Attorney for passenger in Hayes' vehicle releases statement
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:48 am to apfour21
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:48 am to apfour21
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I would also like a statement on why he chased down Will and slammed into him if all he wanted was "to get his license plate."
How do you know he intentionally slammed into him? what if he was following close and the impala pulled out in front of Smith causing him to slam on his breaks? See I can make shite up too, truth is none of us will know what really happen until the facts are released.
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Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:26 pm to Keeble9145
What? GTFO with that bullshite. So you're gonna tell me this shithead who was so angry he shot someone 8 times and shot his wife twice (you don't fire 10 shots if you're just defending yourself) was just casually following Will to get his license plate and accidentally bumped into him. Can't believe people on here are trying to even somewhat defend this pos.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:44 pm to tigerskin
Sounds like the passenger did call Saul.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:16 pm to goatmilker
Hard for me to believe jack shite about being scared for your life when 7 shots went into the back and one into the back part of the left side of the person you were "scared of", that you had YOUR gun on you as you got out the the car to go and confront.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 9:20 am to Bushido Brown
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7 shots went into the back
All you need to know to tell that this was bullshite.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 7:11 pm to tigerskin
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You’ve got the aggression of two football players, facing off with each other as if they are on the field
Whoa , hold it guy ... 2 football players are just playing a game ... this was just acting out what dudes have been instucted to do, by Most of the Rap music community. Cardell Hayes was just keeping it real. Sad , Really Sad.
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 4/15/16 at 5:12 pm to LSUSkip
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I still cant think of many examples of a situation where someone announces they have a gun because they are hoping to use it. I still think that statement would be used to try to deter someone, not incite them.
That's a tremendous point.
Someone just looking to kill isn't going to give you a warning.
Smith very well may have announced he had a gun, but it doesn't mean anyone's life was in danger. This guy had the attitude to start by his reckless actions then took it all into his own hands.
It reminds me of an old country guy giving some punk kid a warning, "I'm going to get my gun!"
Any ways, I like how today, Lester Earl's hero, Fuller, is requesting the NOPD be taken off the case.
How specialPosted on 4/15/16 at 5:17 pm to tigerskin
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“My client believes that Cardell saved his life." Ruffin said. "Smith had a gun and was going to shoot it and Cardell may have saved both of their lives … in my mind this is justifiable homicide. Was Will Smith acting like a Saint? This was a hit-and-run that ended up in a tragedy. You’ve got the aggression of two football players, facing off with each other as if they are on the field and you are going to get your point across by any means necessary.”
This reeks of desperation.
Any ways, I know when I thought I was being broke into I announced I had a gun (even though I actually did not)
In an attempt to scare off the intruder and out of worry. So Smith announcing he had a gun (and actually in fact having one) Does not mean he deserved 8 bullets to the back and his wife to get 2. This guy went crazy, and overkill out of possible rage.
This post was edited on 4/15/16 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 4/15/16 at 5:31 pm to tigerskin
I have never seen a person face off with his back facing the other person and fire a gun while facing another way. Your post just got awkward...
Posted on 4/15/16 at 6:35 pm to beauchristopher
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“My client believes that Cardell saved his life." Ruffin said. "Smith had a gun and was going to shoot it and Cardell may have saved both of their lives … in my mind this is justifiable homicide. Was Will Smith acting like a Saint? This was a hit-and-run that ended up in a tragedy. You’ve got the aggression of two football players, facing off with each other as if they are on the field and you are going to get your point across by any means necessary.” This reeks of desperation. Any ways, I know when I thought I was being broke into I announced I had a gun (even though I actually did not) In an attempt to scare off the intruder and out of worry. So Smith announcing he had a gun (and actually in fact having one) Does not mean he deserved 8 bullets to the back and his wife to get 2. This guy went crazy, and overkill out of possible rage.
I dont know. Its looking like the will smith party is the true aggressor in this incident. We have heard his attorney say that they were the ones that went approach the guys in the hummer and now we are hearing that someone in his party was instigating the situation from other witnesses.
More will come out and we will see but what i have heard and seen in the case so far gives hayes a good chance of getting off or at the very least not 2nd degree murder.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 7:07 pm to diat150
This "aggressor" angle seems to have people confused. As if starting a fist fight is grounds for lethal self defense.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 7:14 pm to Vacherie Saint
Problem is according to the latest report Smith wasn't up in Hayes' grill (it was this shirtless guy who fled) and no one heard Smith say he had a gun or saw him with a gun.
So him shooting Smith isn't justified just because someone else got in his face and may or may not have threatened him. Smith had to be the aggressor. Nothing points to that being the case.
Also Hayes was the true original aggressor when he rammed Smith's car pushing it several car lengths down the road and exploding his windshield.
The fact the Smith allegedly hit and ran actually makes this worse for Hayes because now it looks like a revenge thing for a hit and run.
So him shooting Smith isn't justified just because someone else got in his face and may or may not have threatened him. Smith had to be the aggressor. Nothing points to that being the case.
Also Hayes was the true original aggressor when he rammed Smith's car pushing it several car lengths down the road and exploding his windshield.
The fact the Smith allegedly hit and ran actually makes this worse for Hayes because now it looks like a revenge thing for a hit and run.
This post was edited on 4/15/16 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 4/15/16 at 7:26 pm to Vacherie Saint
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This "aggressor" angle seems to have people confused. As if starting a fist fight is grounds for lethal self defense.
amazing that you would say this after the publicity of the zimmerman trial.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 7:28 pm to bonethug0108
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Also Hayes was the true original aggressor when he rammed Smith's car pushing it several car lengths down the road and exploding his windshield.
I havent seen any evidence that says smiths vehicle was pushed several car lengths down the road. both his front and rear windshields seemed to be intact in the pictures I saw.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 7:40 pm to diat150
I guess if they can prove Will was beating Hayes within an inch of his life, you might have something there, but according to the arrest photos, the cat had not so much as a wrinkle in his dashiki.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 7:43 pm to Vacherie Saint
Murder 2 is the correct charge and it will stick. I was originally advocating Murder 1, but the DA will convict a Murder 2.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 7:44 pm to diat150
C'mon man. You've been a pretty objective voice on here throughout this whole thing. There are pics where you can see the rear windshield damage on the Mercedes and reporters on the scene said the wagon was pushed "15 feet". That may not be several car lengths, but it's enough to make a reasonable person think, post H&R, that it might not have been accidental. That said, it could have been-- it's just less plausible.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 8:05 pm to Vacherie Saint
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There are pics where you can see the rear windshield damage on the Mercedes
where? I can see a glare on the rear window, it is clearly intact. typically rear windshield are tempered and will shatter into many pieces when broken, unlike a front windshield that is laminated. maybe the benz is laminated in the back also, but that would be unusual
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reporters on the scene said the wagon was pushed "15 feet".
The only thing I saw was that picture of the long tire track(not skid), but it clearly wasnt from the accident as it didnt match wills tire tread and it was way ahead of where the hummer ended up after the collision and it wasnt even a skid mark. its possible, 15 feet isnt that much... but 3 car lengths is pretty far, at least 30 feet.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 8:15 pm to Red Stick Tigress
He was talking about the lawyer
Posted on 4/15/16 at 8:20 pm to diat150
The window could be tinted, that would hold it together if it were shattered
Don't know if it is, IJS
Don't know if it is, IJS
This post was edited on 4/15/16 at 8:20 pm
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