re: Arden Key says Saints will bring him in for a private visit

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Clowney syndrome

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There are questions surrounding Key but this statement is flat out dumb. Clowney was an All Pro in 2016 & has been to back to back Pro Bowls. (2016 & 2017)

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Outside linebacker Jadeveon Clowney, the Texans' best defensive player, failed to make the All-Pro Team this season.

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Like Hopkins, Clowney was voted as a starter in the Pro Bowl, but he was left off the All-Pro Team.

Clowney was voted to the second team last year and finished this season with a career-high 9 ½ sacks to go with 21 quarterback hits, 21 tackles for loss and 59 tackles.

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Key has 16 sacks in his last 19 games.

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But he only played in 8 games last year and had 4 sacks in those eight games. 12 of those were his Sophomore year.

Which version are you getting?

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Knowing what we know about his career, do you trust his head on shoulders and long term commitment to the game for a 1 st round pick?

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People keep making up stuff about his work ethic and saying he has a thug mentality. We know he had surgery last offseason in June.

We know he wanted to gain weight to begin with coming off last season. He gained some, which the coaches wanted, but was not able to workout fully while doing it. Obviously that was a huge mistake. I dont think he is lazy or he wouldn't have lost 25 pounds in the middle of the season like he did last year. And he surely wouldn't be down to 238lb now if he were lazy.

Give me something concrete about what the concerns actually are. People keep making stuff up

the rumor is pain pills, not weed. From what i hear it was more precautionary by his father and was an out patient thing

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There are questions, there’s no denying that.

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Not always about sacks anyway. QB pressures matter.

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He had eight of those last year. He missed games and nobody knows what his real issue was/is. I’m not saying he will be a bust. But you have to at least acknowledge the concerns are there.

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I would take either version. 4 sacks in 8 games is good production. That would be 8 sacks over an NFL season. Okafor had 4.5 sacks in 10 games and everyone thought he was a savior.

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One was a FA who only cost $2 mil. The other would be a first round investment. Also how often do guys come in and put up more sacks in the nfl than they do in college in their first couple of years? Especially guys outside the top 5.

Saying he's have 8 sacks in the nfl because he was projected for 8 over 16 games in college is asinine. Not even close to the same thing.

Also Okafor was a beast against the run and had several pass deflections. The sacks were a bonus. People were happy to have a competent 3 down DE.

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I dont think he is lazy or he wouldn't have lost 25 pounds in the middle of the season like he did last year. And he surely wouldn't be down to 238lb now if he were lazy. 

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Give me something concrete about what the concerns actually are. People keep making stuff up

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Arden Key*, DE, LSU 
Height: 6-5. Weight: 260. 
Projected 40 Time: 4.70. 
Projected Round (2018): 1-3. 
2/24/18: Team sources think Key has high first-round talent and that he could be a devastating pass-rusher in the NFL. In a survey of league sources, Key was considered to be among the elite talents of this draft class. However, teams have major off-the-field concerns with Key and think they could cause him to slide in the 2018 NFL Draft. Key's off-the-field issues are similiar to Randy Gregory or Tim Williams.  While there are concerns, scouts also say that Key loves football and has worked on his own with pass-rushing guru Chuck Smith to develop his skills. Key has to interview extremely well in order to be a high pick, and team sources feel that Key has a much shot at panning out in the NFL if he goes to a secluded team like Green Bay or Buffalo to help keep him out of trouble. 

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Draft Projection

Rounds 1-2

Sources Tell Us

"You come back to the old question of what will a player do with more time and more money as a pro? Key's background tells you it could be a big problem for him. Not only that, but he had seven sacks over the last two years where he didn't have to beat the tackle." -- NFC Director of Scouting

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Saints are in the market for a lazy DE/OLB?

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From what i hear it was more precautionary by his father and was an out patient thing

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Precautionary my arse. Key's running buddy was WR Jazz Ferguson. Jazz got the ax out of the LSU program for his actions, Key didn't. The only difference is Key produced on the field but it was off of talent alone, Jazz didn't. Key obviously worked to get his weight down last season. That's not the issue. The issue is his behavior & lack of work ethic that lead to his "absence" & weight gain to begin with.

So Key is great, yet Barnett, who got more sacks against nfl level tackles (guys that actually went on to be drafted and some of them very high) was overrated. Yup.