re: Anyone else surprised at Payton's play calling?

A dad doesn't trust his son, so he doesn't give him opportunities to prove he's trustworthy.
The son argues that he can be trusted, but he has no evidence to prove it because the father won't budge.

We can't have a competent run game if we don't run, regardless of whether it is good or bad.

Yah agreed good analogy

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We can't have a competent run game if we don't run, regardless of whether it is good or bad.

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we have run 178 times for 597 yards as a team. that's 3.4 per rush and 22.4 times per game.

We've shown flashes of competence here and there lately, it has largely been ineffective.

Surprised by Payton's play calling, how about using the word terrible. He lost the Patriot game with play calling, he didn't do any better today. He deserves respect for his coaching through the years, but with the lack of talent at WR and no running game it's time for SP to review his huge play book and make better calls according to talent.

I was down right fricking shocked at the reverse towards the end of the game.

on the replay, yeah, it did look like he would have had the corner turned but Coples the Jets DE wasn't having anything of it, he stayed at home and that was that.

of course that play didn't cost us the game though. You can never really pin it on just one play IMO. I know that this thread isn't all about that one play but I'm sure a lot of people have made it out to be or will blame it on that play.

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i dont agree with the call, but if the backside DE crashes in on the RB, he has a lot of room to run it's basically a bootleg play. All the blocking action is dedicated to the fake. The TE is on his own with hopefully no one looking at him. That's the design

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yea..pretty obvious to see he had a open lane to run if he was free... and 3rd string means no way we do that,,,,.....but still---over thinking sean

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Same way i've felt. Hard to come here and bitch about playcalling when the team is winning though. The offense was better during last year's disaster. We scored more ppg last year and averaged 20ypg more rushing. Thats with us consistently having to try and throw our way back into games last year.

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We also had more turnovers and were near the bottom of the league in time of possession. This year is a different story.

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Whats become almost laughable is that we go with Brees' nonchalant playaction fake on almost every single non-shotgun pass play. Laughable because we dont/can't run the ball. Laughable because it never looks like an actual handoff. And laughable because its no longer a playaction fake if you do it on every snap. Its basically just part of Brees' drop back motion now.

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Actually the playaction was working well in the first half, we had several long developing plays that we connected on because of that playaction and Toon dropped another one. The pass rush started killing us after the turnovers and we were more or less forced to start throwing the ball from the shotgun.

Even if your not running the ball well, the playaction still has an effect on the defense and that was evident in the first half.


I didn't have a problem with the playcalling. Turnovers and drops hurt us in the first half. once we started playing from behind the Jets were able to sit back with 2 deep safeties and push the pocket in the middle of the line. Our game plan was playaction passes over the top and it was working in the first half outside of the drops.

I can see complaints about the tight end around, it was a gimmick play but Collins basically picked up that 1st down twice. Not to mention we have never been good on short yardage running plays.

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I've been holding back my thoughts about the play calling.

But it's...awful at times.

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in general, his coaching has been terrible this year. his timeout calling has been suspect, especially earlier in the season, and his 3rd and 4th down play calling has been pretty awful.

more 4th than 3rd down, but there have still been a number of times where it was pretty awful on 3rd.

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more 4th than 3rd down, but there have still been a number of times where it was pretty awful on 3rd.

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I mean, yeah, we aren't good on 4th down because we're not a good power running team, hence the reason we try things like end arounds on 4th and short.

I'm not sure I recall any 3rd down plays where I was thinking "WTF was that" because most of the time we put the ball in Drew's hands, and that has been pretty effective.

The issue here is we aren't good at short yardage. The reason Ingram/Thomas get stuffed behind the line so many times on 3rd/4th and short isn't just because Ingram is pretty bad, it's also because guys are always in our backfield on those plays.