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re: 2024 cap $255.4 million - $30 million increase

Posted on 2/25/24 at 12:18 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/25/24 at 12:18 pm to
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Again, nfl teams dont make the playoffs every year. Or three years.

If you're an NFL team in "win now" mode missing the playoffs once is bad, and terrible if you do it 3 years in a row.

Do you think the Saints organization believes that we have an elite team capable of producing elite results?

Do you think that we have an elite team capable of producing elite results?

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The patriots have made 24 of 58 total SBowl playoffs.

Meaning they missed the playoffs 34 times.

Cowboys/packers are tops with 36 meaning they missed the playoffs 22 times.

Cool. I'm not shocked you can't post coherently.

The ebbs and flows of a franchise over a huge data sample says nothing, other than there are ebbs and flows.

We are discussing a specific timeframe and a specific strategy. Our strategy has been based in engaging in extreme cap behavior to hold open a window of elite performance. This strategy in this window is all that is being discussed.

The Patriots are outside of that window, today. Do you think it would be optimal strategy to start kicking can and negatively affecting future caps? That would be insane.

The Cowboys are inside of that window, today. It's perfectly acceptable to kick can while they have this level of team and expectations.

We are closer to the Patriots than the Cowboys, today, but we're acting like a more extreme version of the Cowboys.

In what way is this an optimal strategy?
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64053 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 12:31 pm to
Why be calm?
I'm a old hand so I don't get spooked. But we haven't been to the playoffs in three years. Our QB in 10 years has never won one playoff game. We have cash issues to FA our way out. All is not lost but its a mighty hill we must climb.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 2/25/24 at 12:43 pm to
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Reason is obviously lost on you. Everyone else can waste their time, I’ll just call you a Karen.


In other words you can’t articulate the strategy and resort to childish name calling

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The patriots have made 24 of 58 total SBowl playoffs.


you do like to throw out meaningless gibberish Paul. The Saints didn’t make the playoffs for their first 21 years. Then after making it 4 times in 6 missed the next 7 years and ultimately 12 of 13z What does that have to do with the current team? Should we not aspire to make the playoffs? From 93-05 should no one have questioned the moves and direction of the organization? When they missed the playoffs for 3 years 20014-16 with Brees they changed things up, cut or traded some dead weight, had a couple of good drafts, injected some new talent. Was that a “Karen” move?
This post was edited on 2/25/24 at 12:45 pm
Posted by P bean
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 2/25/24 at 2:13 pm to
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The ebbs and flows of a franchise over a huge data sample says nothing, other than there are ebbs and flows.


Correct. And the very best teams in NFL history routinely miss the playoffs.

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Cool. I'm not shocked you can't post coherently.


Cool. Im not shocked youre pretending to be confused by simple facts, or a simple typo. This is why reason is lost on you.

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Do you think the Saints organization believes that we have an elite team capable of producing elite results? Do you think that we have an elite team capable of producing elite results?


Yes Karen. Yes.

NFL teams are capable of going from worst to first, let alone 9-8 to first. Were it not for a Carr injury and Grupe missed FG, we wouldve been 10-7 and in the playoffs.


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We are closer to the Patriots than the Cowboys, today, but we're acting like a more extreme version of the Cowboys.


Wrong. Cowboys went 12-5, patriots went 4-13.

You avoid facts like the plague.

We are 3 wins away from the Cowboys 2023 record. We are 5 losses away from the Patriots 2023 record.

We are def more like the Cowboys, with a mid tier QB who hasnt really won anything yet, but has been a probowler, etc.

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We are discussing a specific timeframe and a specific strategy.


Yes.

During this 3 year time frame we had 2 seasons where our starting QB (Jabo/groomed by SPayton) got hurt for the season. Forcing us to play Simien/Hill/Dalton.

But lets pretend it didnt happen and go full Karen.
This post was edited on 2/25/24 at 2:20 pm
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158717 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 2:20 pm to
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r. Youre just a little baby Karen. Wahhh. You dont have the brain power to evaluate what the Saints are doing or reason to see that it works, or how it will work.



You can’t even articulate what the saints are doing you just resort to “well I don’t have time to tell you so I’ll just call you a name” despite ya know dropping 20 posts in this thread

Look if you want to be a loyalist that’s just happy we don’t totally suck, cool. But it’s tough to look at the on field results and current outlook and defend the current strategy of our front office, it’s not even a matter of opinion
Posted by Chief Hinge
There and Here
Member since Sep 2018
2895 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 3:40 pm to
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The patriots have made 24 of 58 total SBowl playoffs. Meaning they missed the playoffs 34 times. Cowboys/packers are tops with 36 meaning they missed the playoffs 22 times.


Now do the one where you calculate it by playoff appearances relative to playoff opportunities.
Posted by P bean
br
Member since Dec 2006
4058 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 4:49 pm to
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Yes Karen. Yes. NFL teams are capable of going from worst to first, let alone 9-8 to first. Were it not for a Carr injury and Grupe missed FG, we wouldve been 10-7 and in the playoffs.


You tell me Karen
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59039 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 4:53 pm to
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Again what are we currently building toward? Why are we continuing to hamstring our future ? What is the current strength of this team?


You just don’t get it “Karen pussy”. Only retards errrr “smart guys” like Chad and Paul see that Loomis is playing “4-D Chess”
Posted by P bean
br
Member since Dec 2006
4058 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 4:54 pm to
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Now do the one where you calculate it by playoff appearances relative to playoff opportunities.


Lol. Good luck with that. Take a stab at it and let me know. Who was in the playoff race still of week 10 in 1973 etc.

How do you even reasonably say something like this?

Karens having to justify being Karens. Figures.

This post was edited on 2/25/24 at 4:55 pm
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64053 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 5:20 pm to
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Yes Karen. Yes. NFL teams are capable of going from worst to first, let alone 9-8 to first. Were it not for a Carr injury and Grupe missed FG, we wouldve been 10-7 and in the playoffs.


You tell me Karen



This is just great. Most of this is just ST employees arguing between themselves.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
420693 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 6:13 pm to
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NFL teams are capable of going from worst to first,

When their cap/draft situation allows them to improve. We don't have that without the most insane draft luck.

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We are 3 wins away from the Cowboys 2023 record. We are 5 losses away from the Patriots 2023 record.

We had a historically easy schedule. With an average schedule we lose 1-3 more games last year.

Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158717 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 7:32 pm to
“Rrrrr we could have won these games and its a different conversation!!” We can flip that by saying yeah we easily could have lost to the panthers and titans to start the year. Let’s also ignore an easy schedule was made even easier by drawing the back up QBs for the bears, vikings , and colts

Also not a great idea to point the finger at grupe since he was hand picked by the front office over lutz
This post was edited on 2/25/24 at 7:43 pm
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158717 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 7:37 pm to
Is p bean karma’s brother ? The one that got all pissed off and wanted to race you
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
420693 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 7:45 pm to
Yes.

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The one that got all pissed off and wanted to race you

He gets pissed a lot. I don't remember that particular instance.

Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59039 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 7:54 pm to
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Rrrrr we could have won these games and its a different conversation!!” We can flip that by saying yeah we easily could have lost to the panthers and titans to start the year.


Amazing how only the Saints have bad luck with injuries and lose close games
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158717 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 8:01 pm to
One would think when asked show me evidence this methodology and this team isn’t stagnant responding with “hey look we barely missed the playoffs in a historically bad division and expanded playoff field!” would be the moment they realize oh yeah the bar kinda has been lowered huh?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
420693 posts
Posted on 2/26/24 at 7:37 am to
Who needs things like rational arguments and evidence when you can just have a rage-fueled meltdown instead?
Posted by St Augustine
The Pauper of the Surf
Member since Mar 2006
64008 posts
Posted on 2/26/24 at 8:46 am to
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NFL teams are capable of going from worst to first, let alone 9-8 to first. Were it not for a Carr injury and Grupe missed FG, we wouldve been 10-7 and in the playoffs.


And we could’ve just as easily lost the first two games against absolute dogshit opposition. You can play what ifs forever. Doesn’t make the strategy any better.

We will likely not have a schedule that resembles last year's for a very long time.

Last year was the shot to catch lightning with these free spending/credit card debt methods in the post CSP/Brees era and we blew it.

This post was edited on 2/26/24 at 8:48 am
Posted by HangmanPage1
Wild West
Member since Aug 2021
1361 posts
Posted on 2/27/24 at 11:12 am to
Messing around on Over The Cap - cutting Ramczyk and Kamara post 6/1 along with Thomas and Winston and trading Lattimore and Hill and restructuring Peat puts us 15 mil under. Idk, I’d hate to lose Hill but the others are done or a cancer. Get some picks and start competing.
Posted by P bean
br
Member since Dec 2006
4058 posts
Posted on 2/27/24 at 5:37 pm to
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When their cap/draft situation


Heres where you’re fricking lost lol.

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don't have that without the most insane draft luck.


Said every team ever.

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We had a historically easy schedule. With an average schedule we lose 1-3 more games last year.


No we didnt. Literally making shite up.
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