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Zion Williamson Got a Double Double Last Night*
Posted on 1/20/21 at 8:07 am
Posted on 1/20/21 at 8:07 am
32 point, 5 Rebounds, 10 assists*
....Or he could have if our players knew how to hit open shots.
This is becoming a real problem with this team and is laying bare the problem with our current roster construction/lineups.
Zion had 10 potential assists last night. Meaning he made passes to players that immediately had and took an opportunity to score and just missed. The previous game he had 6 of those. Instead Zion’s stat line reads 3 and 2 assists the last two games respectively. Now obviously I’m being a bit hyperbolic to make my point since you wouldn’t expect every attempted assist to become points, but it’s to illustrate the emerging problem as SVG has opened up the offense for Zion.
For a player with the gravity of Zion, it is nearly criminal that we have two starting guards that are unable to take advantage of the looks he can create for them. 4-5 times last night he hit wide open shooters that just clanked their shots.
IMO for a Zion and BI team to unlock their full potential we are going to need to replace those players in the lineup like Bledsoe and Lonzo that simply can’t properly compliment Zion/Ingram in the ways they play and create.
....Or he could have if our players knew how to hit open shots.
This is becoming a real problem with this team and is laying bare the problem with our current roster construction/lineups.
Zion had 10 potential assists last night. Meaning he made passes to players that immediately had and took an opportunity to score and just missed. The previous game he had 6 of those. Instead Zion’s stat line reads 3 and 2 assists the last two games respectively. Now obviously I’m being a bit hyperbolic to make my point since you wouldn’t expect every attempted assist to become points, but it’s to illustrate the emerging problem as SVG has opened up the offense for Zion.
For a player with the gravity of Zion, it is nearly criminal that we have two starting guards that are unable to take advantage of the looks he can create for them. 4-5 times last night he hit wide open shooters that just clanked their shots.
IMO for a Zion and BI team to unlock their full potential we are going to need to replace those players in the lineup like Bledsoe and Lonzo that simply can’t properly compliment Zion/Ingram in the ways they play and create.
This post was edited on 1/20/21 at 8:11 am
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Posted on 1/20/21 at 8:09 am to Bronc
You are expecting guys to shoot 100% off passes from Zion?
Posted on 1/20/21 at 8:11 am to brmark70816
All it takes is some reading Mark:
quote:
Now obviously I’m being a bit hyperbolic to make my point since you wouldn’t expect every attempted assist to become points, but it’s to illustrate the emerging problem as SVG has opened up the offense for Zion.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 8:11 am to Bronc
I thought this thread was going to be in reference to this:
Posted on 1/20/21 at 8:13 am to Bronc
JJ falling off the face of the earth was...not expected
Posted on 1/20/21 at 8:13 am to Bronc
Agreed. I don’t know how long SVG is going to be so damn stubborn. Bledsoe and Ball do not work together.
This post was edited on 1/20/21 at 8:15 am
Posted on 1/20/21 at 8:15 am to duyp
lonzo and JJ combined make about $24M. that's some salary to throw around
i'm legit at the point where i want to deal for Beal and give up like 6 of our 1st rounders and swaps we have stashed
i'm legit at the point where i want to deal for Beal and give up like 6 of our 1st rounders and swaps we have stashed
Posted on 1/20/21 at 8:21 am to SlowFlowPro
That's how much Buddy makes. I know Buddy isn't the perfect solution because he's overpaid, but JJ slumping shows how essential his skill is to the team. Replacing JJ long term has always seemed to be one of the most immediate roster issues because there just aren't that many high volume, high accuracy, 3 point shooters that also spend all game running around warping defenses.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 8:24 am to TigerinATL
I reckon Sac Town might do Buddy for 2 expirings so they can start Haliburton
This post was edited on 1/20/21 at 8:25 am
Posted on 1/20/21 at 8:25 am to TigerinATL
well we aren't signing anyone in free agency anytime soon and acquiring guys via trade usually means there is a wart or 2
being slightly overpaid is fine to me. having those big contracts allows for the potential in acquiring legit stars down the road
i think Buddy is actually older than Beal though
being slightly overpaid is fine to me. having those big contracts allows for the potential in acquiring legit stars down the road
i think Buddy is actually older than Beal though
Posted on 1/20/21 at 8:26 am to SlowFlowPro
I’ve been on the horn about Beal for a couple seasons now, and even moreso today it looks like a wise move if you can get some reassurances he is open to staying here.
He seems wired differently than most stars, in a good way, so I think there is a real possibility there, but that is my big hang up.
And as bad as Westbrook has been, Beal having a guy that can get him some looks has I think laid to rest the idea he can’t hit threes efficiently still. Since he is back up to 42% on catch and shoot threes of good volume.
It’s honestly scary to think what Beal/Ingram/Zion would look like given how much gravity each player commands.
But even if we don’t go that direction it seems pretty obvious this starting unit and the rotation needs to be broken up and reassembled
He seems wired differently than most stars, in a good way, so I think there is a real possibility there, but that is my big hang up.
And as bad as Westbrook has been, Beal having a guy that can get him some looks has I think laid to rest the idea he can’t hit threes efficiently still. Since he is back up to 42% on catch and shoot threes of good volume.
It’s honestly scary to think what Beal/Ingram/Zion would look like given how much gravity each player commands.
But even if we don’t go that direction it seems pretty obvious this starting unit and the rotation needs to be broken up and reassembled
Posted on 1/20/21 at 8:29 am to Bronc
i mean
Adams
Zion
BI
Beal
Bledsoe
is a top 4 starting 5 instantly
now we may not have a bench, but that starting 5 is fire
Adams
Zion
BI
Beal
Bledsoe
is a top 4 starting 5 instantly
now we may not have a bench, but that starting 5 is fire
Posted on 1/20/21 at 8:34 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
now we may not have a bench, but that starting 5 is fire
Yeah that’s really the only other matter to consider.
Because the other side to the trades Griff has made that completely reset the market expectations for superstar trades, is that now the expectation for top ten players is basically a minimum of around 3 unprotected first rounders, 3 pick swaps, and multiple young prospects.
So I think realistically we have to consider are we willing to give up, say, that last Bucks pick
That could be excellent or all our picks the next three seasons, plus swaps, and give up likely 1 to 2 of Kira, Naw, Hayes...
This post was edited on 1/20/21 at 8:35 am
Posted on 1/20/21 at 8:36 am to Bronc
the problem is that we're half in, half out and it sucks
and the "full building" option is somewhat hurt by lacking the real near-future assets to get elite talent
our own picks aren't going to be that bad and neither will the LAL/MIL picks anytime soon. now they may be gold down the road, but Zion will already be on his 2nd deal and Ingram will be going for his super max deal.
and the "full building" option is somewhat hurt by lacking the real near-future assets to get elite talent
our own picks aren't going to be that bad and neither will the LAL/MIL picks anytime soon. now they may be gold down the road, but Zion will already be on his 2nd deal and Ingram will be going for his super max deal.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 8:38 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
but Zion will already be on his 2nd deal and Ingram will be going for his super max deal.
I just don't see how you can expect either of these guys to want to be part of your plans if you're also expecting to be a below average team until "down the road"
Posted on 1/20/21 at 8:40 am to jmcwhrter
there's that, too.
that's why i'm all for getting Beal and figuring out our bench in the offseason
that's why i'm all for getting Beal and figuring out our bench in the offseason
Posted on 1/20/21 at 8:42 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
figuring out our bench in the offseason
the current NBA shortcut to success seems to be:
1. Mortgage everything to get as many stars as possible
2. Cross your fingers you can get some vets, contract buyouts, etc. who want to play on a winner to fill out your depth chart
Obvious problem there is who really wants to come play in New Orleans -- winner or not
Posted on 1/20/21 at 8:44 am to jmcwhrter
well we did sign JJ last year and Adams immediately extended (for a lower salary) so it's not impossible
plus we're talking about bench guys
plus we're talking about bench guys
Posted on 1/20/21 at 8:45 am to SlowFlowPro
My ad hoc thought at the moment right now is to play out this season as is.
Since it doesn’t feel like Was is either being very smart about the Beal situation or willing to accept the reality yet.
But if you can get to the offseason to have the discussion, Beal is now an expiring contract. And most likely can’t command the sort of return he could have if WAS was wise and traded him today or by the deadline. And maybe(and most likely the way things are trending) we end up with another top ten pick.
His price should be lower, our asset value higher, our leverage greater.
But I’m open to the move regardless
Since it doesn’t feel like Was is either being very smart about the Beal situation or willing to accept the reality yet.
But if you can get to the offseason to have the discussion, Beal is now an expiring contract. And most likely can’t command the sort of return he could have if WAS was wise and traded him today or by the deadline. And maybe(and most likely the way things are trending) we end up with another top ten pick.
His price should be lower, our asset value higher, our leverage greater.
But I’m open to the move regardless
Posted on 1/20/21 at 8:47 am to jmcwhrter
You have Zion and Ingram already. That's supposed to be the hard part. Develop Kira, move everything else for the right supporting cast.
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