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Zion showing Harden levels of Defense
Posted on 2/2/21 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 2/2/21 at 3:15 pm
This gif is making the rounds from last night of Zion and his...defense.
Personally I think he will get better and better but yeah, it’s not great so far.
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Personally I think he will get better and better but yeah, it’s not great so far.
LINK
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Posted on 2/2/21 at 3:17 pm to Fun Bunch
Yeah I lost my shite on that play. All i could do is smile and shake my head
Posted on 2/2/21 at 3:19 pm to Fun Bunch
He was just confused about his assignment
Posted on 2/2/21 at 3:20 pm to Fun Bunch
Should have been a switch.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 3:23 pm to Fun Bunch
Like Jaxson, he has no idea what he's doing in pick and rolls. I think Zion is actually fine when just guarding his own guy.
Neither guy knows how to slide with the p&R ball handler just long enough for the guard to get back to him, then rotate back to their own man(Adams has this down to a science).
So they end up panicking and trapping the p&r ballhandler, which throws the rest of the defense off because that isn't our scheme AT ALL.
Literally happens OVER AND OVER every game with both guys.
Neither guy knows how to slide with the p&R ball handler just long enough for the guard to get back to him, then rotate back to their own man(Adams has this down to a science).
So they end up panicking and trapping the p&r ballhandler, which throws the rest of the defense off because that isn't our scheme AT ALL.
Literally happens OVER AND OVER every game with both guys.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 3:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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He was just confused about his assignment
But how lol? Especially with a team that from the sound of it, only practices defense
Posted on 2/2/21 at 3:29 pm to supe12sta12z
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Should have been a switch.
No it shouldn’t have.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 3:30 pm to Fun Bunch
Also, this is far from a Harden-level defensive gif. As bad as Zion was in that clip, it’s still substantially more effort than Harden showed in the clips that always get posted.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 3:31 pm to J_Hingle
It was poor communication by both NAW and Zion on that play. Zion played the switch which is why he went wide while NAW played through the screen. These breakdowns are normal for young players who are still trying to learn how to play team defense as well as learn about each other and their tendencies. Once Zion saw NAW commiting to Haliburton, the play was over. Zion running back may have been magnified but the defense was busted as soon as NAW continues to chase.
This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 2/2/21 at 3:46 pm to supe12sta12z
That isn’t a communication issue. That’s a Zion issue. He’s never in a defensive stance so when Haliburton picks up his dribble Zion lunges at him a bit and he isn’t able to recover. And then he compounds it by giving no effort at all.
This happens quite frequently with him. He’s either lazy (which I don’t think is the case) or his fitness level is terrible.
This happens quite frequently with him. He’s either lazy (which I don’t think is the case) or his fitness level is terrible.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 3:47 pm to Fun Bunch
RJ Barrett is 2x better than Zion on defense and is even in MIP Race right now.
But Zion can improve very well.
But Zion can improve very well.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 3:54 pm to TotesMcGotes
You're asking for the impossible. You cannot expect Zion to recover form there. Zion leaves and thats a wide open 3 for Haliburton who is shooting 40% from 3.
Our defense is predicated on help defense with 3 other guys waiting to collapse. Had NAW put a body on Holmes, he would have never gotten through the teeth of the defense.
The difference between a guy like Adams and Zion is clear. You're never going to ask Adams to stay on the perimeter and switch at all. So he's always going to play the screener and back off even if that gives the ball handler an open 3. Whereas you expect a guy like Zion to switch if he can. So when it happens you have a guard like Ball who can switch and still effectively defend. So the way Zion can defend is different than what Adams will provide.
Our defense is predicated on help defense with 3 other guys waiting to collapse. Had NAW put a body on Holmes, he would have never gotten through the teeth of the defense.
The difference between a guy like Adams and Zion is clear. You're never going to ask Adams to stay on the perimeter and switch at all. So he's always going to play the screener and back off even if that gives the ball handler an open 3. Whereas you expect a guy like Zion to switch if he can. So when it happens you have a guard like Ball who can switch and still effectively defend. So the way Zion can defend is different than what Adams will provide.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 3:54 pm to Fun Bunch
Zion's biggest defensive problem is he ball watches and thinks too much. That's only fixed with experience
Posted on 2/2/21 at 4:06 pm to TotesMcGotes
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No it shouldn’t have.
It shouldn't have, but we have literally seen and argued about this exact thing before.
NAW is a pretty bad defender right now and lots of guys, right and wrong at times, have been overhelping with him.
Zion over helped because NAW got caught and went/got forced UNDER the screen on Haliburton, a 41% three-point shooter, Zion got out of position, opening up the lane, Hart was indecisive on his drop, Kira, in a very commendable way tried to take a charge.
The scheme, from all I know, doesn't call for a switch, and probably wouldn't call for Zion to overhelp in that way to sacrifice the paint, but had he not done that the Kings likely just hit a three off a wide-open Haliburton look.
To me this was more a trust issue than anything, Zion didn't trust NAW to recover(even though he actually did a good job this time), and so he overhelped on the ball handler in PNR.
This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 2/2/21 at 4:22 pm to TotesMcGotes
Zion is stayinnggggg!!!!!
Posted on 2/2/21 at 4:37 pm to drake20
Also, it is worth noting because Christian Clark goes on to say Zion at the five doesn't work, but in actuality, there are several Zion at the five lineups that have done very well.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 4:38 pm to Bronc
And, like the last time we argued this, Zion’s effort is abysmal.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 4:49 pm to Bronc
Does he say it hasn’t worked or that it didn’t work last night?
Posted on 2/2/21 at 5:06 pm to TotesMcGotes
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And, like the last time we argued this, Zion’s effort is abysmal.
Not ideal, sure, same with much of the rest of the team not named Adams/Lonzo/Hart, but when people said Harden levels of defense that's not what I saw here.
Harden would literally just stand there, Zion overhelped in PNR after NAW got caught and forced under a screen for a great shooter, and our defense broke down on the margins.
As for Christian Clark ans Zion at the 5, he wrote an article:
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A lazy one, and it's just wrong. And it also seems to be oozing with MM level nonsense of holding Zion to the most absurd of proclamations about his early career.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 5:12 pm to Fun Bunch
That play was clearly drawn up for Kira to take the charge. Looks like it was Kira that messed up.
This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 5:14 pm
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