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re: Zach Lowe brings up a mortifying thought...
Posted on 5/21/14 at 9:39 am to GynoSandberg
Posted on 5/21/14 at 9:39 am to GynoSandberg
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Who are some hot GM names?
This is the one thing no one talks about. The GM pool is thinner than the coaching pool.
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Posted on 5/21/14 at 9:43 am to TigerinATL
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The GM pool is thinner than the coaching pool.
Nah. We just don't know who the hot names are in the FO the way we do with guys on the bench.
No one had ever heard of Presti, Ujiri, McDonough, etc. Just because we don't have a clue doesn't mean they don't exist.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 9:52 am to corndeaux
they should just let the Pels talk be the collective GM. Top 20 or so posters on here. Majority rules.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 9:53 am to quail man
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probably not. he will go be in a front office elsewhere for a few years and get back as GM probably in 3-5 years.
You're being irrational. Without injuries this team would have been loaded with tradeable assets.
Are you seriously judging Demps on his inability to craft a roster around a bottom 5 HC in the league?
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he'll be picked up as an assistant coach immediately, if not hired by a college as head coach.
Oh God. This would be the funniest thing ever. I can't imagine Monty's oozing charisma having to go recruit players and babysit a bunch of teens.
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Jesus, dude.
What has Monty accomplished?
Posted on 5/21/14 at 9:56 am to ShamelessPel
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Without injuries this team would have been loaded with tradeable assets.
so wait, we can use this argument for the fricking GM but not the coach? i'm not even saying anything else. that's beyond
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irrational
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:04 am to corndeaux
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Just because we don't have a clue doesn't mean they don't exist.
While I agree part of the problem is they are just unknown rather than non existent, if the pool was so well populated teams wouldn't be hitting the Spurs tree so hard. Pretty much every recent GM hire was a guy that was developed internally by a team (Uriji, Olshey, Hinkie), or tied to the Spurs tree. It's not like the coaching situation where there are proven guys waiting for a phone call, you either develop internally or poach a guy tied to the Spurs tree.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:06 am to ShamelessPel
Ben Gordon signed as a 20 PPG scorer in the prime of his career. Villanueva was an up and coming stretch 4 when he signed. Also in the prime of his career.
They got lazy and just didn't give a shite after getting paid.
Jennings and Smith are yet to be determined. Again, people here wanted those dudes. That Detroit team can be good still.
And you're going to crucify Dumars for signing Gordon and Billanueva and yet defend Dell Demps, who wasted our best asset to acquire Eric frickin Gordon AND then sign him to max deal. Ha! Gtfo.
The only thing Dell has done well was draft AD, acquire GV and Lopez (then fricked that up) and trade for Anderson (who we then had to pay anyway). His job is to build the car that Monty drives. Instead our rosters have been an island of misfit toys.
They got lazy and just didn't give a shite after getting paid.
Jennings and Smith are yet to be determined. Again, people here wanted those dudes. That Detroit team can be good still.
And you're going to crucify Dumars for signing Gordon and Billanueva and yet defend Dell Demps, who wasted our best asset to acquire Eric frickin Gordon AND then sign him to max deal. Ha! Gtfo.
The only thing Dell has done well was draft AD, acquire GV and Lopez (then fricked that up) and trade for Anderson (who we then had to pay anyway). His job is to build the car that Monty drives. Instead our rosters have been an island of misfit toys.
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Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:09 am to GynoSandberg
i just keep picturing Clowney or whoever is in your avatar saying all these things and laughing 
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:19 am to quail man
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so wait, we can use this argument for the fricking GM but not the coach? i'm not even saying anything else. that's beyond irrational
Did Dell Demps trot out Aminu/Steimsma in the starting lineup once the injury bug hit? Did Dell continue to play Roberts over Rivers despite Rivers outperforming Roberts? Did Dell play Roberts more minutes than Reke since the injuries for half the remainder of the season?
There's plenty of things Monty could have done differently, but he subjected us to one of the worst coaching seasons I have ever seen in my life. Besides giving him credit for Davis developing (whether true or not), what has he accomplished?
If Dell panicked and started trading everyone for pennies on the dollar once the injuries hit, you better bet damn well I'd be calling for his head right now.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:25 am to GynoSandberg
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Jennings and Smith are yet to be determined. Again, people here wanted those dudes. That Detroit team can be good still.
What? 90% of this board didn't want to touch Jennings at all. The majority on this board didn't want Smith for anywhere near a max deal.
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Dell Demps, who wasted our best asset to acquire Eric frickin Gordon AND then sign him to max deal.
Shame on Dell for not being able to get more out of a bidding war between the Lakers and the Clippers after his Lakers deal got straight nixed. Getting Gordon + TWolves 1st at the time was a massive win in that trade.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:29 am to ShamelessPel
We've already been hearing that Monty and Dell are not on the same page. Maybe Dell was passing down instructions to start and play certain players to make them tradable? I don't know, but it's not like he had much better options than Aminu or Steimsma, sadly.
Roberts over Rivers upset me, too, but that's really the only thing. Roberts and Reke aren't really the same position, so that's not comparable.
Monty has done plenty in terms of player development…Rivers, Gravy, Lopez, Aminu have all improved, to name a few. Two of them Dell traded away.
Roberts over Rivers upset me, too, but that's really the only thing. Roberts and Reke aren't really the same position, so that's not comparable.
Monty has done plenty in terms of player development…Rivers, Gravy, Lopez, Aminu have all improved, to name a few. Two of them Dell traded away.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:30 am to quail man
That's Khiry brah
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:31 am to ShamelessPel
I'll still never understand why Demps felt that he had to trade C. Paul. There are 4 major FAs hitting the market this summer and not one of them was shopped. It was a horrible trade done at the worst time. He could have waited until mid season or just done a sign and trade after the season. I don't know why people defend it. It is one of the worst trades in NBA history, circumstances be damned.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:41 am to brmark70816
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I'll still never understand why Demps felt that he had to trade C. Paul.
I know he had many discussions with Uriji in Denver who had just gone through the Melodrama. I think part of the reasoning for not waiting until the deadline at least was to avoid that circus
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There are 4 major FAs hitting the market this summer and not one of them was shopped.
Who? The ones in large markets with rich owners that aren't going anywhere? Are you seriously comparing the CP3 situation, where CP3 had demanded a trade to Dirk, who's said he'll take a paycut to help get players to Dallas, Melo, who the Knicks did kick a few tires before deciding going after Phil Jackson to convince Melo to stay was better than trading him, and the Big 3 in Miami who are in the middle of a championship run?
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:45 am to brmark70816
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I'll still never understand why Demps felt that he had to trade C. Paul
There's one major reason to trade C. Paul early in the season. Anthony Davis.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:45 am to ShamelessPel
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Did Dell continue to play Roberts over Rivers despite Rivers outperforming Roberts?
reminds me of the Giant Douche v Turd Sandwich argument on South Park.
Both of these guys are horrible and shouldn't be part of our long term plan, I don't see why people are up in arms about this.Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:54 am to ShamelessPel
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There's one major reason to trade C. Paul early in the season. Anthony Davis.
They don't have anything to do with one another. Unless you are going to evoke the butterfly effect argument..
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:57 am to brmark70816
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They don't have anything to do with one another. Unless you are going to evoke the butterfly effect argument..
Actually if your goal is to tank for a franchise player and end up with less than 25 wins on the season, you don't want CP3 making you win 20 of the first 40 games before you trade him.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:14 am to TigerinATL
I don't see how you believe there was an actual plan in place. They loaded up on a veteran team that just happened to have a ton of injuries. They lucked up into the pick. The fact that Demps gets to pound his chest that he drafted Davis is just a mystery to me. I don't get how it is an accomplishment. No one here praises Bower for drafting Paul. I don't see the difference..
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:31 am to TigerinATL
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It's not like the coaching situation where there are proven guys waiting for a phone call, you either develop internally or poach a guy tied to the Spurs tree.
Well of course. There are tons of coaching opportunities- college, DLeague, Europe, assistants, etc- where coaches can hone their craft, prove their chops, and get attention.
Not so for running an NBA team. The only place you can show off is within an NBA team. And no one cares about the lead video coordinator or Director of Scouting to ever learn their names
And hiring a guy just because of his tree is dumb. Hire the best guy you can find, regardless of pedigree. Copying the Spurs is a near impossible task. One or two hires is not going to magically create the environment that fuels their organization
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