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re: Your boy Flecher on 1280 am Eric Asher show..Phoenix is a darkhorse
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:11 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:11 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Surely you know the difference between those "big men" and Ayton
did anyone actually watch Ayton? You know how many guys could put up empty stats getting 30 mpg on that Phoenix team. He cannot be a headliner in an AD deal
He's not an asset in another trade when he does everything the rest of the league is getting away from
did anyone actually watch Ayton? You know how many guys could put up empty stats getting 30 mpg on that Phoenix team. He cannot be a headliner in an AD deal
He's not an asset in another trade when he does everything the rest of the league is getting away from
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:21 pm to GynoSandberg
I did... And this post shows you didn't.
You would have to be the biggest idiot in the world to turn down the trade the OP suggested as a Pels fan.
You would have to be the biggest idiot in the world to turn down the trade the OP suggested as a Pels fan.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:21 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:He was arguably the most efficient rookie scorer of all time.
You know how many guys could put up empty stats getting 30 mpg on that Phoenix team.
Rookies have been going to shite teams for decades, not sure why you think there are a million rookies over the years who could have gone to that team and put up those types of efficient numbers.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:23 pm to GynoSandberg
I think we would need 2019 1st rd pick, 2020 Suns 1st rd pick and the MIL 2020 1st they have
Then Ayton and some filler
Then Ayton and some filler
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:23 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:
Sixers, Jazz, Nuggets.
Ayton does not compare to any of the big men on those teams. All are special in their multifaceted way
DPOTY like Gobert?
No
Inside/out & athleticism of Embiid?
No
Best passing big man in L like Jokic?
No
Until Ayton develops more skills it reminds me of when Greg Monroe was a thing on this board
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:25 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Peak Monroe from '12-'16 had a TS% of .545.
Until Ayton develops more skills it reminds me of when Greg Monroe was a thing on this board
Ayton as a rookie was at .608. Monroe's offense at his best doesn't really come close to as good as Ayton as a rookie.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:26 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
You're simply looking for the highest level return.
Of course, and surely that ain’t it
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:27 pm to Townedrunkard
quote:
rom what I hear, they ready to move on from Warren because he's always injured
that's because they had a piss poor medical staff. probably using the cardinals facilities or some stupid shite.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:28 pm to shel311
Ayton also did all of this without any competent people to regularly create offense for him. No true PG. TJ missed half the year. No PF.
With a legit PG and a team that could actually shoot from the perimeter, Ayton will be averaging 25/12 easy. He also got better defensively. Still has a way to go. But if you need any indicator of how not having any help makes you look, Bledsoe is a first team all defense guy. Tucker was in the hunt. How you look on defense in PHX isn't exactly an accurate depiction.
With a legit PG and a team that could actually shoot from the perimeter, Ayton will be averaging 25/12 easy. He also got better defensively. Still has a way to go. But if you need any indicator of how not having any help makes you look, Bledsoe is a first team all defense guy. Tucker was in the hunt. How you look on defense in PHX isn't exactly an accurate depiction.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:29 pm to Chad504boy
quote:We just hired Aaron Nelson, who was renowned as the best trainer in the NBA, it was seen a huge get for us.
that's because they had a piss poor medical staff.
Pretty sure PHO is known for their training/medical staff.
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:31 pm to Chad504boy
That's a factor. It's mainly because the Suns have holes to fill, and you have to give things up to get good players in return. He is more of a 6th man scorer because of his defensive inadequacies. The Suns need a starting lineup before they have the luxury of worrying about getting bench rotation guys right.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:31 pm to shel311
quote:
We just hired Aaron Nelson, who was renowned as the best trainer in the NBA, it was seen a huge get for us.
the sarcasm was dripping man.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:32 pm to shel311
quote:
He was arguably the most efficient rookie scorer of all time.
Rookies have been going to shite teams for decades, not sure why you think there are a million rookies over the years who could have gone to that team and put up those types of efficient numbers
Im not saying he isn't good at what he does. 80% of his offense is in the lane, which is fine, but is that the return you want for AD and who you want to pair with Zion? His defense improved as the year went on but he was still bad as well.
You wouldnt center a package around Jarett Allen if you were trading AD to Brooklyn. There is some allure to Ayton being the 1 overall and getting heavy minutes on a bad team. I dont think Griffin would go for it
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:33 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
Of course, and surely that ain’t it
Last year's #1 pick that is cost controlled and had a good, efficient rookie season
The #6 pick
A good scoring wing Vet on a good contract
Them taking on a completely useless player
Possible other pick involvement.
That's is a good deal. Honestly its a deal we won't get.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:39 pm to Chad504boy
quote:
the sarcasm was dripping man.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:39 pm to shel311
Shel, TS% isn’t really an indication of offensive talent especially with a small sample size. Even more so considering the subject is a 7’0 post player on a 19 win team
I’m not saying he can’t score the ball. I’m questioning if his long term impact is enough to centerpiece an AD trade. That is highly in question in today’s landscape especially when wings highlight other potential packages
I’m not saying he can’t score the ball. I’m questioning if his long term impact is enough to centerpiece an AD trade. That is highly in question in today’s landscape especially when wings highlight other potential packages
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:40 pm to GynoSandberg
He shot over 40% from midrange this season as a rookie. He was just compared to Greg Monroe who shot a much lower percentage in his prime from that range and Ayton took far more shots from there.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:41 pm to GeauxTigers2020
Jarrett Allen took 20 shots total from that range this season. He shot .167 from the field. But sure, continue to compare Ayton to these guys.
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:42 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:I don't think that's a good comparison...at all.
You wouldnt center a package around Jarett Allen if you were trading AD to Brooklyn
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:42 pm to Fun Bunch
Your expectations have changed that much since the season bunch? Or do you just think Ayton is next
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