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re: Y’all miss BI yet
Posted on 11/20/25 at 11:32 am to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 11/20/25 at 11:32 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:How he reacted to it 100% makes him soft.
Just because the refs let Lou Dort rape him in a playoff series doesn't make him soft.
He shriveled up and didn't even try. That's kinda the definition of soft, to not fight through when things aren't going your way. BI definitely did that.
quote:Doesn't change BI's availability in any way.
not as much as Zion, and has played every game this year
quote:He was still a ball stopper, even when he got the ball and it wasn't late in the shot clock, so that isn't really relevant to the assertion that he's a ball stopper.
was forced to be the PG and bail us out late in the shot clock all the time since he was the only one who could create his own shot. I've dug into the stats on how he was taking more late in the shot clock attempts than anyone in the league.
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Posted on 11/20/25 at 11:37 am to shel311
quote:
The Raptors are getting outscored in BI minutes this season, and BI has a -14.9 Net Rating, so...
all of their starters have similar numbers, except Barnes.
The Raptors bench is 2nd in the nba in net rating behind only OKC.
Posted on 11/20/25 at 11:40 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:Correct, which makes the OP's premise pretty laughable.
all of their starters have similar numbers, except Barnes.
The Raptors bench is 2nd in the nba in net rating behind only OKC.
The OP is basically saying we should miss BI because he and the TOR starters are getting wrecked in their minutes but the TOR bench has been lights out....uhh what?
This post was edited on 11/20/25 at 11:43 am
Posted on 11/20/25 at 11:45 am to cfish140
quote:
BI was my favorite pel/hornet for a long time. Loved his mid range game, but he regressed after having that amazing playoff series against the suns. I’m sure a lot of it isn’t his fault as he was being asked to do a lot without Zion.
I will say my opinion of him plummeted in that thunder playoff series, though. Lou Dort made him look like an absolute child. I mean he could do NOTHING against him. I’ve never seen somebody get that absolutely bagged in a bball series
I concur, partly. I loved BI, and still think he is a great player. The coaching and supporting cast around him made the end of his whole tenure seem a lot worse. That said, he was checked out by the end, rightly or wrongly, and it was time to move on. Won't hate him for it, because as a fan I was too.
Posted on 11/20/25 at 11:53 am to shel311
quote:
He shriveled up and didn't even try. That's kinda the definition of soft, to not fight through when things aren't going your way. BI definitely did that.
I'll give you that. I was pretty irritated with him for that as well.
quote:
He was still a ball stopper, even when he got the ball and it wasn't late in the shot clock, so that isn't really relevant to the assertion that he's a ball stopper.
He hardly ever played with a PG, and surprise surprise, the person he shared the best Netrtg with every year was usually a healthy Jose.
This year BI is averaging 3.17 seconds with the ball in his hands per touch, and 2.2 dribbles per touch. 1.5 paint touches per game scoring at 1.35 points per touch.
in 2024 those numbers were 4.1 seconds with the ball in his hands and 3.2 dribbles per touch. 1.0 paint touches per game scoring at 0.68 points per touch.
2025 was only 18 games but similar, 3.9 seconds and 2.9 dribbles.
2023 was similar, 4.1 seconds and 3.1 dribbles
Posted on 11/20/25 at 11:56 am to shel311
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The OP is basically saying we should miss BI because he and the TOR starters are getting wrecked in their minutes but the TOR bench has been lights out....uhh what?
whatever makes you feel better about it bud. You can hate on BI all you want, won't change the fact that it was stupid to let him go for nothing.
Posted on 11/20/25 at 11:59 am to lsutigers23
Look at the Raptors schedule and who they played
Posted on 11/20/25 at 12:12 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:Facts make me feel better about it, chief.
whatever makes you feel better about it bud.
If you can't dispute the facts, that's on you.
The Raptors get outscored when BI is on the court. That's a fact.
quote:I provided facts. It seems like you're the one hate, you just hate that the facts don't spell out what hte OP tried, but you can't dispute them so it's just "hating" apparently.
You can hate on BI all you want,
Again, why would the way the Raptors are playing make me miss BI when they're doing what they're doing in spite of BI losing his minutes?
Posted on 11/20/25 at 12:13 pm to BowDownToLSU
It looked like Ingram was on heroin while he was playing. The way he moved. His eyes. Everything
Lmao
Lmao
Posted on 11/20/25 at 12:29 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:fair enough but I think BI was ready for a new beginning also. He talked about how bad the fan support was when he left
don't think most people realize almost everyone in the nba is terrible late in games,
quote:which he wasn’t exactly lying but I think most fans showed him lots of love here
The most impressive thing for me is seeing every seat in the arena filled up every single game, no matter winning or losing. That definitely wasn't there in New Orleans," said Ingram.
quote:which is why he was getting paid like a “ superstar “. Also I see you compared him with Zion. I’m 100% in on getting rid of him
outside of a few superstars, which is why they are superstars.
Posted on 11/20/25 at 12:45 pm to lsutigers23
Um no lol. BI gonna BI. Average 22 5 5 and shoot a bunch of mid range shots and not do shite from 3 or on defense
Posted on 11/20/25 at 1:10 pm to shel311
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Facts make me feel better about it, chief.
good for you. I'm sure Raptors fans are fed up with BI
BI has played 240 minutes with their two rookies this year. They have both had terrible +/- this year, as you'd expect from rookies.
Barrett has played 160 minutes with them.
Barnes has played 145 minutes with them.
Quickly has played 174 minutes with them.
The starting lineup has the most minutes played for a 5 man lineup and are a +3.1 netRtg.
The next most played lineup is when they remove Poeltl and insert rookie Murray-Boyles. That lineup is a -20.
Jamal Murray sucks. He's at -3.8. The 11-3 Nuggets fans are probably wanting to replace him.
Devin Booker sucks. He's at -2.2. The 9-6 Suns fans have had enough of his inefficiency
Jalen Johnson is having a breakout season, career bests all over the place right now. He's a -3.6 for the 9-6 Hawks. There's 10 regular rotation players on that team, and he's the only one with a negative Netrtg.
The Bulls must suck too. 4 of their 5 starters have negative NetRtg's, yet somehow they are 8-6 and Giddy (-1.6) is having the best season of his career. Oh yeah, the Bulls have the 3rd best bench in the league so far.
There's always more to stats than you think, especially with small sample sizes.
Posted on 11/20/25 at 1:25 pm to cfish140
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I will say my opinion of him plummeted in that thunder playoff series, though. Lou Dort made him look like an absolute child. I mean he could do NOTHING against him. I’ve never seen somebody get that absolutely bagged in a bball series
BI rushed back from hyperextension and a bone bruise to play the last game of the regular season and the OKC series. He was atrocious that series, but was obviously far from healthy and I respect that he did everything he could to be there for his teammates. I think it's ridiculous the blame he got for that series given that context and the fact that Zion was once again missing, OKC constantly hunted CJ and JV on the perimeter because neither one could defend out there, and CJ once again was unreliable in the playoffs like he was his entire tenure in Portland.
Posted on 11/20/25 at 1:34 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:The facts are good for me on this topic, yes.
good for you
quote:I'm sure they also recognize they're good because their bench has been so dominant.
I'm sure Raptors fans are fed up with BI
quote:Not exactly ideal for a top level player if he has to have a bunch of good dudes around him to remain afloat.
BI has played 240 minutes with their two rookies this year. They have both had terrible +/- this year, as you'd expect from rookies.
Barrett has played 160 minutes with them.
Barnes has played 145 minutes with them.
Quickly has played 174 minutes with them.
quote:-14.9, just a tad different than those 2 numbers
Jamal Murray sucks. He's at -3.8. The 11-3 Nuggets fans are probably wanting to replace him.
Devin Booker sucks. He's at -2.2. The 9-6 Suns fans have had enough of his inefficiency
quote:I'm glad you pointed out the Bulls are winning games due to their bench wrecking teams, like the Raptors.
The Bulls must suck too. 4 of their 5 starters have negative NetRtg's, yet somehow they are 8-6 and Giddy (-1.6) is having the best season of his career. Oh yeah, the Bulls have the 3rd best bench in the league so far.
Again, I'm losing zero sleep because we no longer have a dude on our team who is on a good team that is winning minutes when he's OFF the court and losing minutes when he's on the court. I'm ok with that for a dude at that salary.
Posted on 11/20/25 at 1:36 pm to mightdeletelater
quote:He gave up in that series, he did not try. Why would fans NOT go after him for that?
BI rushed back from hyperextension and a bone bruise to play the last game of the regular season and the OKC series. He was atrocious that series, but was obviously far from healthy and I respect that he did everything he could to be there for his teammates. I think it's ridiculous the blame he got for that series given that context and the fact that Zion was once again missing, OKC constantly hunted CJ and JV on the perimeter because neither one could defend out there, and CJ once again was unreliable in the playoffs like he was his entire tenure in Portland.
That is independent entirely of Zion not being available. Not saying allf ans, but for the logical fans, had he gone out there and injured and Dort getting away with a bunch and he didn't play well but it was clear he was giving it all he could, I doubt those logical fans would have crushed him for it.
But again, he quit in that series. He took his ball and went home and didn't even try. I just don't get why people would think he deserves no criticism for that or what Zion not playing has to do with him giving up to ease the trasngression.
Posted on 11/20/25 at 1:38 pm to shel311
quote:
Again, I'm losing zero sleep because we no longer have a dude on our team who is on a good team that is winning minutes when he's OFF the court and losing minutes when he's on the court. I'm ok with that for a dude at that salary.
I dont' know why i'm arguing with you. I guess I'm just bored. We've been through this many times already. You can't stand BI. That's how you feel and that's ok.
Posted on 11/20/25 at 1:41 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:I'm speaking about facts.
You can't stand BI.
You can take it however you want, but I'm providing facts to this situation, and those facts seem to really tick you off for some odd reason. It's almost like you have a bias, can't really argue away those facts, so you're just getting upset and then making weird comments about it. It is what it is.
Hell, I have a Pro Pels Talk "Kingram" shirt I still wear, but go on about how much I "can't stand BI" when I'm simply pointing out facts that are getting you a bit in a tizzy here.
Posted on 11/20/25 at 2:25 pm to shel311
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He gave up in that series, he did not try. Why would fans NOT go after him for that?
That is independent entirely of Zion not being available. Not saying allf ans, but for the logical fans, had he gone out there and injured and Dort getting away with a bunch and he didn't play well but it was clear he was giving it all he could, I doubt those logical fans would have crushed him for it.
But again, he quit in that series. He took his ball and went home and didn't even try. I just don't get why people would think he deserves no criticism for that or what Zion not playing has to do with him giving up to ease the trasngression.
See I think his lousy play and having no spring in his step is misconstrued as giving up. The man rushed back before he was physically ready. They showed him getting into it with the coaches on the bench because he wanted to be on the floor and they wouldn't put him back in. Those are interesting methods of giving up.
Posted on 11/20/25 at 2:27 pm to shel311
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The Raptors are getting outscored in BI minutes this season, and BI has a -14.9 Net Rating, so...
For sure, you still don't get it.
Posted on 11/20/25 at 2:27 pm to mightdeletelater
quote:I think you're confusing what he was "saying" on the bench/sideline vs what he was actually doing on the court.
See I think his lousy play and having no spring in his step is misconstrued as giving up. The man rushed back before he was physically ready. They showed him getting into it with the coaches on the bench because he wanted to be on the floor and they wouldn't put him back in. Those are interesting methods of giving up.
I think it's easy to decipher a dude who is hurt who can't do his normal thing vs a dude who just gave up and wasn't really trying out there, and it seemed pretty obvious imo that it was the latter from BI.
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