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re: Why the hate for Jaxson Hayes?
Posted on 6/23/19 at 12:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/23/19 at 12:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
It's an interesting hypothetical and I respect your perspective. I appreciate you taking the time to do go into detail. There are so few players like that we'll probably never know. Ayton will be a fascinating case study. There really is no reason he shouldn't be the cornerstone and focal point as a conventional Center. But he is already set for life and in a horrible situation. Does he have the hunger to succeed?
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 12:10 pm to brmark70816
Problem with Ayton is that his defense is so bad that he needs to be incredible on offense to be a positive for your team. Think Jokic for example, who isn’t even as bad on defense as Ayton.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 12:15 pm to landrywasbeast30
Ayton is basically Okafor.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 12:20 pm to supe12sta12z
Ayton is a 20 year old coming off his rookie season. His defense will improve.
His bigger problem arguably is being in Phoenix.
His bigger problem arguably is being in Phoenix.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 12:22 pm to supe12sta12z
Ayton was way better than you’re giving him credit for.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 12:29 pm to supe12sta12z
Think he has more upside than Okafor had. Okafor was an old school post player who sucked on defense. Ayton is capable of stepping out and making 3’s, and I think he just needs to try more and get smarter on defense. In college Ayton actually guarded out on the perimeter a good bit cause Arizona played him a lot with another big.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 12:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
I think we are in agreement again(just not on Garland still lol).
Posted on 6/23/19 at 12:39 pm to Philippines4LSU
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His bigger problem arguably is being in Phoenix.
This is arguably the most underrated point.
I'd say Monty should help him, as he oversaw AD's development, but to this day I would still argue most coaching credit for AD's development has to go to Kevin Hanson. As he has been the one guy by his side until he left Nola. And AD's development didn't slow down one bit when Monty left.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 12:40 pm to Fun Bunch
I mean you’re taking about an offensive big who will not make an impact on defense. They’re all the same to me unless they are elite at it. He might have more potential than Okafor due to his athleticism but I highly doubt he’ll ever be good on offense to be a big time scorer like KAT.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 12:48 pm to landrywasbeast30
Duncan was the center and heart of those teams. To deny it is completely false.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 12:50 pm to Dogstar
of course he was
his post play most certainly wasnt though
his post play most certainly wasnt though
Posted on 6/23/19 at 1:01 pm to Dogstar
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Duncan was the center and heart of those teams
This is different than saying his dominant post play was the reason those teams were still contenders in his later years.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 1:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
Shaq would dominate on O but he couldnt play D against teams like GS. He also sucked at FTs. That is why i mentioned guys that POSSIBLY could play D and still dominate on O. Guys like Olajuwan would shoot over 60% against todays Cs.
In my opinion, u dont have to have a stretch 5 to succeed. You have to have a 5 that can play D and hit FTs. If a 7' guy can play D, he can help gain possesions from REBs and altering shots.
Pels will need 3 or 4 guys that can hit 3s. We dont currently have that starting but most here think we will within 3 yrs.
In my opinion, u dont have to have a stretch 5 to succeed. You have to have a 5 that can play D and hit FTs. If a 7' guy can play D, he can help gain possesions from REBs and altering shots.
Pels will need 3 or 4 guys that can hit 3s. We dont currently have that starting but most here think we will within 3 yrs.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 1:11 pm to Milesahead
Shaq would score 50 against the GSW at a 75% and fouling out all GSW bigs to offset the 3 point shooting. I don’t think you understand how dominate Prime Shaw was. His offense impacted the game on both sides of the ball.
This post was edited on 6/23/19 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 6/23/19 at 1:13 pm to Milesahead
Having a dominant big man would also cause small 5s to foul out much more frequently. I understand the game is not showcasing the 5 at the moment but i believe there is still a dominant role out there for the RIGHT guy/skillset.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 1:18 pm to supe12sta12z
I love Shaq and agree about his offensive dominance. He was also athletic early in his career.
I still dont believe he could play D today. With shooters spacing the floor, he would be forced to match up 1 vs 1. He would either give up 3s or get blown by for lay-ups and and-1s.
It would be interesting to see...until Hack-a-Shaq returned. Glad that is over
I still dont believe he could play D today. With shooters spacing the floor, he would be forced to match up 1 vs 1. He would either give up 3s or get blown by for lay-ups and and-1s.
It would be interesting to see...until Hack-a-Shaq returned. Glad that is over
Posted on 6/23/19 at 1:21 pm to supe12sta12z
Shaq would foul out on charges as the game is called today.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 1:26 pm to CelticDog
No he won’t, he would be reffed differently due to his size and makeup. It’s no different then it was during his era. He was fouled on every play. Defenses had to get really rough with Shaq to even slow him down. In today’s league, they would foul out by halftime.
This post was edited on 6/23/19 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 6/23/19 at 1:35 pm to Milesahead
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Shaq would dominate on O but he couldnt play D against teams like GS. He also sucked at FTs. That is why i mentioned guys that POSSIBLY could play D and still dominate on O. Guys like Olajuwan would shoot over 60% against todays Cs.
In my opinion, u dont have to have a stretch 5 to succeed. You have to have a 5 that can play D and hit FTs. If a 7' guy can play D, he can help gain possesions from REBs and altering shots.
Pels will need 3 or 4 guys that can hit 3s. We dont currently have that starting but most here think we will within 3 yrs.
Shaq today would also have to play under the latest evolution and ref treatment of the very rules that were put in place to specifically neuter his gamebreaking style of play. The 3 second rule, the changes to zone defense, and the emphasis on protecting guards and wings from the physicality of big men.
Rules that have grown to frustrate guys like Cousins who played with a similar bruising physicality coming into the league but in this era have to now walk on eggshells offensively while getting called for the sort of ticky-tack stuff on defense that Shaq got away with during the majority of his time in the league. Which I think clearly has a chilling effect on the way big men use their physical power in this league. Which by all accounts was the point.
This post was edited on 6/23/19 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 6/23/19 at 1:43 pm to Bronc
Hopefully bmark was right and it is cyclical, and the pussification can one day be undone and basketball can go back to being basketball.
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