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Why start Dyson over Trey?
Posted on 12/13/23 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 12/13/23 at 6:56 pm
I get the Dyson/Herb lineup has some success early, but Trey is a perfect replacement for Z. Are we trying to build Dyson’s trade value? Does our organization even think that far ahead?
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Posted on 12/13/23 at 7:15 pm to PTinBR
If you want a reason, I would guess it’s because with a team like Washington that is all offense, he thought it was better to not let Poole and Kouzma get going; figuring we would be able to get good shots regardless of who was playing. Unfortunately we gave up lots of open threes on D and even though we were getting to the basket, we didn’t finish. It wasn’t crazy it just didn’t work.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 7:19 pm to LSUgrad88
I understand somewhat starting Dyson when Trey is out. Its nonsense to start him against any team when you have Trey. A lot of the offensive issues in the beginning were because teams completely ignore Dyson on offense.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 7:22 pm to Pels_Yaz
I think I explained why I think he did it; and there are legitimate grounds for doing it. I’m sure if you would have told Willie Herb would miss about 5 layups in the first five minutes and the Wizards wouldn’t miss, he likely, in hindsight, would switch the lineup. It was five minutes where pretty much everything went wrong. Let’s not insanely overreact.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 7:25 pm to LSUgrad88
Watch the game right now. Same lineup and same issues. Its same issues man. You miss layups because paint is more crowded again due to the fact you have one player who does nothing on offense. Everything if you see now on offense looks extremely difficult.
Edit: start of third- we start dyson and lead goes down to 6. This isn’t rocket science.
Edit: start of third- we start dyson and lead goes down to 6. This isn’t rocket science.
This post was edited on 12/13/23 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 12/13/23 at 7:57 pm to LSUgrad88
It’s also managing morale. Trey would start for a lot of teams. Not only are we not regularly starting him, but when a starter at a position he plays is out you still don’t start him? Trey has a good attitude, but that has to be in the back of his mind
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:02 pm to PTinBR
Murphy got big minutes, provided bench scoring, and will close the game. I'm not seeing an issue here. Dyson in the starting lineup is fine since we have a good amount of offense to protect him a bit.
Trey doesn't need to start. The way the minutes played out tonight worked well for him.
Trey doesn't need to start. The way the minutes played out tonight worked well for him.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:04 pm to supe12sta12z
Yes Trey bailed us out because wizards suck. But we were in a huge hole when he started and in third our lead went down to 6. Nobody wants to start the game and third basically either losing or losing leads. Thats not a good formula to win.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:13 pm to supe12sta12z
Yeah Trey gets big minutes, but starting matters to these guys. Antonio Daniels talks about it from time to time. Maybe Trey is ok coming off the bench, but very few guys would’ve had the humility/mental toughness to do what Manu Ginobli did….
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:15 pm to PTinBR
Exactly. Ginobli didn’t want to do it in the beginning. They won championships thats why he did. No one wants to be a bench player.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:21 pm to PTinBR
Who starts doesn't matter.
Who finishes and who plays most minutes is all that matters.
Who finishes and who plays most minutes is all that matters.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:32 pm to Broski
Logically maybe, but I’m talking about pride and keeping your best players happy.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:51 pm to PTinBR
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Trey gets big minutes, but starting matters to these guys.
Thank you. It always matters to players.
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but very few guys would’ve had the humility/mental toughness to do what Manu Ginobli did….
Ginobli was a starter until he got into his 30s. He was injury prone and extended his career by playing less games/minutes. I don't get why people use him as an example of why to keel young emerging stars coming off the bench..
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:57 pm to brmark70816
You've been proven completely wrong on this several times before. Why do you keep saying it like its true?
Posted on 12/13/23 at 9:06 pm to brmark70816
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Ginobli was a starter until he got into his 30s
From 2006-2010 when Gnobli was in his 5th-8th years in the league, he played in 268 games, of which he started only 87 of them. That's 68% of the games he didn't start. In 2010-11 he played in 80 games and started 79 of them. So what you are saying is not even remotely accurate. He started his most games ever in the league when he was 34.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 12:06 am to PTinBR
there’s no solid argument for dyson over Trey honestly, but overall minutes it was Trey over Dyson by a significant margin. I guess it was just Willie putting defense as the focus in the first rotation and nothing more.
I believe in Dyson, but he’s a disaster right now on offense. Absolutely awful and in his own head. He’s basically me playing offense on an NBA team. No need to guard him, he can’t make anything other than an uncontested layup consistently.
With that said, he’s going to figure it out one day and I’m here for it.
I believe in Dyson, but he’s a disaster right now on offense. Absolutely awful and in his own head. He’s basically me playing offense on an NBA team. No need to guard him, he can’t make anything other than an uncontested layup consistently.
With that said, he’s going to figure it out one day and I’m here for it.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 1:24 am to Broski
quote:I want Trey in as long as Z or BI are on the floor. It matters. We want his spacing with our starters in
Who starts doesn't matter.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 1:39 am to Macintosh
To me what bothers me the most is you’re missing arguably your best offensive player in the starting lineup (Zion) and you replace him with your worst rotational offensive player and think it’ll be fine. I get it when we’re healthy, Herb has played great this year and deserves that starting spot. But in what world does Dyson deserve that spot over Trey when Zion is out? But whatever its Willie Green’s world and we’re just living in it lol
This post was edited on 12/14/23 at 1:41 am
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