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Who does Nance take minutes away from off the bench?
Posted on 3/23/22 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 3/23/22 at 7:00 pm
I’d hate it to be Billy as he’s really solidified his role as the backup 5 but Nance is also best suited as a small ball 5. Maybe they mix and match between subbing him for Jaxon at the 4 and Jonas at the 5 depending on what the other team is doing.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 7:02 pm to LSUPilot07
Like what you said it’ll be for Jax and some small ball 5 as well. Once Zion comes back I don’t think Billy will play much at all
This post was edited on 3/23/22 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 3/23/22 at 7:07 pm to LSUPilot07
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I’d hate it to be Billy as he’s really solidified his role as the backup 5
Billy is a "match up center" because he's only good at offense. He's terrible defensively and on nights where there's a real post threat or we need rim protection from him, he's just can't help. You do not want him being the full time backup. You want him deployed in games where the matchup is favorable for him and he can go out and be crafty on offense without being a liability on defense making him a net positive player.
I'd expect Nance to take some minutes from all 3 bigs.
This post was edited on 3/23/22 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 3/23/22 at 7:11 pm to TigerinATL
I think the real issue is next season when we're hopefully finally healthy. We'll have:
Zion
Jax
Jval
Nance
And all 4 essentially play only the 4 or 5. Just not enough minutes it seems for all 4 to be in the normal rotation.
Zion
Jax
Jval
Nance
And all 4 essentially play only the 4 or 5. Just not enough minutes it seems for all 4 to be in the normal rotation.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 7:17 pm to shel311
quote:
And all 4 essentially play only the 4 or 5. Just not enough minutes it seems for all 4 to be in the normal rotation.
That's the kind of depth good teams have. It's how they can lose a star player and still play .500 ball.
I'm interested to see how much JV's usefulness declines next to a Zion playing 30+ MPG. He's on a cheap enough contract to keep in a reduced role, but if Zion is here long term only one of Jax/JV can stay.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 7:40 pm to shel311
quote:Honestly i've been looking bigger, and hope Griffin will, too.
I think the real issue is next season when we're hopefully finally healthy. We'll have:
Zion
Jax
Jval
Nance
And all 4 essentially play only the 4 or 5. Just not enough minutes it seems for all 4 to be in the normal rotation.
Im probably gonna be a broken record come the offseason, because I want Griff to at least look around at who the best player he can turn some combo of Graham, Nance, Kira, (one of Trey/Jaxson), + picks into.
As is, I think this team could be really good next season. But if we can turn those guys + our pick haul into a quasi-all star I think we can be special.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 7:51 pm to eyeran
We're starting to build a team that's deep with talent (the kind of teams that win championships) and you're hoping to trade away multiple pieces of that depth for a piece thats a high salary thus making ourselves a shallower team?
The only deal I would look at making would be Graham and picks for Dejounte, anything else and the player would be to expensive to make it viable long term.
The only deal I would look at making would be Graham and picks for Dejounte, anything else and the player would be to expensive to make it viable long term.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 8:02 pm to eyeran
You can’t always trade away your young, cheap contract players for high priced vets. This team as situated with Zion, BI, Herb, Jonas and CJ can be a force in the west. Jaxon, Murphy, Jose, Naji, and Nance can form one hell of a supporting cast and most all are on cheap deals. If anything I’d like to see them try to figure a way to unload Graham’s contract then maybe you can sign another decent free agent.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 8:26 pm to Soggymoss
quote:1. Depth is valuable but not as valuable as really good players.
e're starting to build a team that's deep with talent (the kind of teams that win championships) and you're hoping to trade away multiple pieces of that depth for a piece thats a high salary thus making ourselves a shallower team?
2. A guy like Jax has more value to the Pels in a trade than he does playing 12 minutes a night.
This post was edited on 3/23/22 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 3/23/22 at 9:20 pm to shel311
quote:
Depth is valuable but not as valuable as really good players.
Once Zion gets a max deal you'll have 3 maxish players. It's hard to imagine a $20+ player that would be a good fit. They'd need to be significant upgrades over Herb or JV. It's a similar problem to your #2 about Jaxson.
The best path forward is flipping the non starters for better fitting depth, and using the picks to keep adding cheap depth.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 9:28 pm to shel311
I can’t see a trade for another quasi allstar. I think the starting lineup is where it needs to be, when healthy. I would like to see us upgrade at 6th man. Buddy Hield/ Norman Powell/Gary Trent Jr type. I think that’s the only real need on this team once fully healthy.
Cj/Jose /Kira
BI/ Trade target
Herb/Murphy
Zion/Hayes/Nance
Jonas/Nance/Billy
Graham, Naji, Temple and a 1st to make your upgrade.
Cj/Jose /Kira
BI/ Trade target
Herb/Murphy
Zion/Hayes/Nance
Jonas/Nance/Billy
Graham, Naji, Temple and a 1st to make your upgrade.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 9:31 pm to Soggymoss
quote:Yes. 100000%
We're starting to build a team that's deep with talent (the kind of teams that win championships) and you're hoping to trade away multiple pieces of that depth for a piece thats a high salary thus making ourselves a shallower team?
Depth is a lot easier to find when you're rolling 5 all star caliber players out there. Im not falling in love with replaceable bench players. Some people get way too attached to the NAW-types.
If we actually have a chance to stack this team with top end talent, do it. Let some other team figure out if Kira or Trey are actually any good.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 12:17 am to eyeran
Depth is great if you want to grind to a great regular season record, but the guys who can play decently to well in a pinch during the regular season get played off the floor every year in the playoffs.
Goal should be finding five or six guys who can play at the end of a playoff game and then fill in the holes.
Goal should be finding five or six guys who can play at the end of a playoff game and then fill in the holes.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 12:23 am to TigerinATL
quote:
if Zion is here long term only one of Jax/JV can stay.
Jaxson, in theory, is the better fit next to Zion. Can switch 1-5 and do quite well on an island. Shoots it well. Doesn’t need the ball at all to be effective on offense.
I think he’ll ultimately come around as a pretty solid defender (even if that’s on another team) but I don’t know that he’ll ever be a good rebounder, which sucks. He’s so close but so far from being the perfect fit next to Zion/BI/CJ.
I love JV but he’d get hunted constantly in the playoffs.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 5:50 am to shel311
quote:
Depth is valuable but not as valuable as really good players.
When you have your top 5 players firmly established, which we do, depth is the most important thing you can then have, which we are well on our way to having.
Next season we already have 139.6 million committed in salary with 13 players, the tax line is 147 million, so we will only have about 6 million to play with, 5 when you factor in Alvarado. We don't have much wiggle room to add another high salary.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 7:43 am to TotesMcGotes
quote:I agree with this. but that also means the best time to make an upgrade would probably be at the deadline after we’ve played most of the season with our depth to build a great regular season record. prices are often more favorable at the deadline as well
Depth is great if you want to grind to a great regular season record, but the guys who can play decently to well in a pinch during the regular season get played off the floor every year in the playoffs.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 9:22 am to Soggymoss
quote:
When you have your top 5 players firmly established, which we do
I disagree. Who is that top 5
Posted on 3/24/22 at 9:30 am to TotesMcGotes
quote:
I disagree.
Why? My guess is JV, but unless Jaxson pans out, I don't think you're going to find a better 5. You're just going to need to balance him out with guys like Jaxson and Nance. If Jaxson doesn't become good enough to start at center, hopefully he becomes good enough to not need Nance so you can pay Jaxson in $10-$15 million range to be the 3rd big in most situations.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 10:04 am to TigerinATL
Well it's definitely JV because I don't think he'll be able to stay on the floor against elite guards in a playoff series.
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