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What would you rather: playoffs v non-playoffs
Posted on 1/14/21 at 9:49 am
Posted on 1/14/21 at 9:49 am
Playoffs: Lonzo, Bledsoe, JJ all stay, play a little bit better, and the Pelicans are solidly in the Play-in tournament fighting for the 8 seed or just flat out in the playoffs.
or
Non-Playoffs: Pelicans move Lonzo, Bledsoe, JJ for spare parts and future assets, but this allows Kira, NAW, acquired players etc to get plenty of run. They get better throughout the season but we aren't even in the play in and instead are in the 10-11 seed range.
What would you prefer.
or
Non-Playoffs: Pelicans move Lonzo, Bledsoe, JJ for spare parts and future assets, but this allows Kira, NAW, acquired players etc to get plenty of run. They get better throughout the season but we aren't even in the play in and instead are in the 10-11 seed range.
What would you prefer.
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Posted on 1/14/21 at 9:53 am to Fun Bunch
We need to compete but do it by incorporating the young backcourt and riding them for big minutes in games that they play well.
SVG gives way too much room for error for Ball and Bledsoe and give little to no room for error with the young players. If Ball and Bledsoe plays poorly, they need to be yanked as well.
SVG gives way too much room for error for Ball and Bledsoe and give little to no room for error with the young players. If Ball and Bledsoe plays poorly, they need to be yanked as well.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 10:04 am to Fun Bunch
Non-playoffs.
To me it is insane to be chasing playoff runs this early in your cores journey.
That’s not to say don’t try and win games a given night, but not in the way you are basically sacrificing development and talent assessment of your young guys to chase wins with veterans. I mean you only ever have a narrow window to really accumulate top ten players before your superstar core will begin regularly dragging you to the playoffs. And if you built right it is gonna happen.
If we hit on one more top ten pick and get, say, a Hunter, Herro, or Halliburton level player, that’s approaching GS/SA dynasty potential.
It would also set you up in a position where you could conceivably go after a Beal and not be giving up all your young assets. Or at least still keep your highest potential draft assets like the last Bucks pick
To me it is insane to be chasing playoff runs this early in your cores journey.
That’s not to say don’t try and win games a given night, but not in the way you are basically sacrificing development and talent assessment of your young guys to chase wins with veterans. I mean you only ever have a narrow window to really accumulate top ten players before your superstar core will begin regularly dragging you to the playoffs. And if you built right it is gonna happen.
If we hit on one more top ten pick and get, say, a Hunter, Herro, or Halliburton level player, that’s approaching GS/SA dynasty potential.
It would also set you up in a position where you could conceivably go after a Beal and not be giving up all your young assets. Or at least still keep your highest potential draft assets like the last Bucks pick
Posted on 1/14/21 at 10:15 am to Fun Bunch
quote:I'd rather this if it's a top 10 pick. We need to see what we have with NAW and Kira. Lonzo doesn't make sense for this team due to fit with our two best players, makes sense to get what we can for him, hopefully at least a first round pick.
Non-Playoffs: Pelicans move Lonzo, Bledsoe, JJ for spare parts and future assets, but this allows Kira, NAW, acquired players etc to get plenty of run. They get better throughout the season but we aren't even in the play in and instead are in the 10-11 seed range.
I don't want the team to make a "big" move to try to compete right now.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 10:20 am to Epic Cajun
The only big move I’m open to conditionally is Beal(of the rumored posssible stars on the move recently).
And by conditionally I would want some sort of nod that he won’t just bail in two years.
If you can’t get a sense he is strongly open to recommitting to New Orleans, hard pass.
Because Beal, despite not being the head case Harden is, poses the same problem of only offering you a two year window based on his current contract and while I say he puts you in contention, I’m not sure you can guarantee a championship next season and that’s basically the only rationale that it would make sense if you aren’t getting a sense of a commitment...But he does appear to be loyal almost to a fault, which would give me hope if we Griff goes that direction
And by conditionally I would want some sort of nod that he won’t just bail in two years.
If you can’t get a sense he is strongly open to recommitting to New Orleans, hard pass.
Because Beal, despite not being the head case Harden is, poses the same problem of only offering you a two year window based on his current contract and while I say he puts you in contention, I’m not sure you can guarantee a championship next season and that’s basically the only rationale that it would make sense if you aren’t getting a sense of a commitment...But he does appear to be loyal almost to a fault, which would give me hope if we Griff goes that direction
This post was edited on 1/14/21 at 10:21 am
Posted on 1/14/21 at 10:25 am to Bronc
quote:Right, my hesitation with Beal is that I don't know if Zion is ready to be a big piece of a contending team in the short term future (this year or next), and I wouldn't want to give up young players with potential and future assets, if it's going to be a situation where Beal is only here for a couple years. IMO this team's window opens in 2023.
The only big move I’m open to conditionally is Beal(of the rumored posssible stars on the move recently).
And by conditionally I would want some sort of nod that he won’t just bail in two years.
If you can’t get a sense he is strongly open to recommitting to New Orleans, hard pass.
Because Beal, despite not being the head case Harden is, poses the same problem of only offering you a two year window based on his current contract and while I say he puts you in contention, I’m not sure you can guarantee a championship next season and that’s basically the only rationale that it would make sense if you aren’t getting a sense of a commitment...But he does appear to be loyal almost to a fault, which would give me hope if we Griff goes that direction
Posted on 1/14/21 at 10:31 am to Epic Cajun
That's probably one of the biggest dilemmas with Williamson. If you grab a ready to compete for a championship piece, that might severely hamper his longterm development. There's a lot that Zion will need to develop over time and I'm not sure he'll develop to reach his ceiling if he gets boxed into a role for the next couple of years.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 10:45 am to supe12sta12z
I actually am not all that worried about that with Zion if it’s Beal you’re talking about....If you feel he can be locked up to another contract.
Beal would do so much for Ingram and Zion basically overnight.
We talk about gravity and spacing,Beal is a guy that for three years has received the entire focus of a team’s defensive game plan and still can just drop 50 and 60 when he gets the itch. Average 30ppg on respectable efficiency given the situation.
Dude would overnight open up so much for Zion and Ingram. You just couldn’t afford to pack three on Zion or Ingram anymore or Beal will simply obliterate your team. And unlike some players like Harden, Beal doesn’t whine about playing off ball as well, and he’s good at it. Half his threes are catch and shoot and doing so at 43% this season. I could 100% see a lineup of Naw or Kira, Beal, Ingram, Zion, and Adams just wrecking shite in this league for the next few years. Where you would have peak SA/GS passing and able to match up and out score any team or lineup
Beal would do so much for Ingram and Zion basically overnight.
We talk about gravity and spacing,Beal is a guy that for three years has received the entire focus of a team’s defensive game plan and still can just drop 50 and 60 when he gets the itch. Average 30ppg on respectable efficiency given the situation.
Dude would overnight open up so much for Zion and Ingram. You just couldn’t afford to pack three on Zion or Ingram anymore or Beal will simply obliterate your team. And unlike some players like Harden, Beal doesn’t whine about playing off ball as well, and he’s good at it. Half his threes are catch and shoot and doing so at 43% this season. I could 100% see a lineup of Naw or Kira, Beal, Ingram, Zion, and Adams just wrecking shite in this league for the next few years. Where you would have peak SA/GS passing and able to match up and out score any team or lineup
Posted on 1/14/21 at 10:56 am to Fun Bunch
Where can we realistically move those guys, and what would be possible returns?
I’ve messed around on the trade machine a bunch, and I really don’t know who would take on a Restricted Lonzo besides Charlotte and MAYBE Knicks. I feel like his market is drying up quickly. We might have to just do a sign and trade in the offseason to get back a trade exemption.
JJ could be moved to the LA teams or to 76ers. I guess he could still get moved to Brooklyn, but they are out of salary filler pieces to send back.
I’m not sure Bledsoe is able to be moved yet. He doesn’t have much value for his salary. Someone might be more willing to take him as he’s closer to expiring, but we might be stuck with him for the rest of the season. He might not be that bad of a player with someone else in the backcourt with him since he does still provide good defense.
I’ve messed around on the trade machine a bunch, and I really don’t know who would take on a Restricted Lonzo besides Charlotte and MAYBE Knicks. I feel like his market is drying up quickly. We might have to just do a sign and trade in the offseason to get back a trade exemption.
JJ could be moved to the LA teams or to 76ers. I guess he could still get moved to Brooklyn, but they are out of salary filler pieces to send back.
I’m not sure Bledsoe is able to be moved yet. He doesn’t have much value for his salary. Someone might be more willing to take him as he’s closer to expiring, but we might be stuck with him for the rest of the season. He might not be that bad of a player with someone else in the backcourt with him since he does still provide good defense.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 11:00 am to TechTiger
No playoffs. The team needs to learn if NAW, Lewis and Hayes are part of the future.
Ball, Bledsoe and Redick are not.
Ball, Bledsoe and Redick are not.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 7:49 pm to Bronc
The problem with a Beal trade is we will have no depth, be in the tax, have no real draft capital, and New Orleans will still not get the cheap ring chasing depth.
I think it is better to be excellent in the draft. We have our two cornerstone superstars. Be smart try to draft the #3 guy (may be NAW or Lewis) and be smart in getting super complimentary pieces. The Pels have no bad contracts, tons of draft capital (lotto tickets), and already have their top end superstars. The Pels have never been in this position.
I think it is better to be excellent in the draft. We have our two cornerstone superstars. Be smart try to draft the #3 guy (may be NAW or Lewis) and be smart in getting super complimentary pieces. The Pels have no bad contracts, tons of draft capital (lotto tickets), and already have their top end superstars. The Pels have never been in this position.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 1:17 am to Colonel Flagg
Honestly it would help this team a ton to make the playoffs. Pelicans fans desperately need it. Ingram and Zion need it to taste some success.
If we can get there we need to get there. It sucks loosing & we need to start building a winning culture as soon as possible.
If we can get there we need to get there. It sucks loosing & we need to start building a winning culture as soon as possible.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 1:59 am to Fun Bunch
I would rather trade Bledsoe and Lonzo and replace them with Kira and NAW and lose more (in the short term)
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