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re: We the fans, overhyped this team. While forgetting realistic expectations.

Posted on 12/9/19 at 1:26 pm to
Posted by Bradle
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Posted on 12/9/19 at 1:26 pm to
Getting blown out by one game, correlates to them given shite effort all season? That is just an absurd take. Bring something of value to the conversation, rather than come in to make some whine head statements.
Posted by Macintosh
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Posted on 12/9/19 at 1:41 pm to
Fans and everyone’s expectations have been we would struggle at first but as the season goes on we will see improvement from the team as they get used to one another. However, we’ve been only getting worse and worse as the season goes on. Teams struggle with injuries all the time. Using that excuse is not good enough. Coaching blunders with horrible rotations have killed games for this team where players have igiven their all but still lose because of lack on intelligent coaching. This isn’t the first time or season this has happened with Gentry.


This was in response to that random Bradle kid
This post was edited on 12/9/19 at 1:41 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 12/9/19 at 1:42 pm to
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I believe we are overachieving without Zion just a tad, given strength of schedule yo to this point.


Here's your "Troll of the Month" award winner, folks.

I gotta admit that you got me. I thought you were serious for a while.
Posted by Macintosh
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Posted on 12/9/19 at 1:47 pm to
He’s an idiot
Posted by Bradle
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Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 12/9/19 at 2:05 pm to
When did I state such a thing?
I believe we will play .50o ball when our schedule eases up in a couple weeks. That's what I believe. But since you want to bring up the one of the very few bad teams we have played. Here is a list of games we have played and the score.

L - TOR -130-122 OT
L - DAL -123-116
L - HOU -126-123
L - GS -134-123
W - DEN -122-107
L - OKC -115-104
L - BKN -135-125
W - CHA -115-110
L - HOU -122-116
W - LAC -132-127
L - MIA -109-94
W - GS. -108-100
W - POR -115-104
W - PHX -124-121
L - UTH -128-120
L - LAC -134-109
L - LAL -114-110
L - OKC -109-104
L - OCK -107-104
L - DAL -118-97
L - PHX -139-132 OT
L - DAL -130-84


Of, all the games mentioned we had 1 bad loss, and 1 bad blowout. Let's keep in mind that, that blowout was after we played a game which we went into overtime.

The other bad loss was against LAC. And we played them between UTAH AND LAL. look at the schedule and explain to me how in any kind of way. Or fashion that this is an easy schedule to begin the season. I'll wait.


This team does exert effort. This last Dal game was a really bad night for the Pels. But based off history, that isnt who they really are. In terms of effort and resiliency. They will bounce back. And most of the dudes who hopped in this thread will have their opinions 180 in 2 months. (Regarding effort)

Gentry is coaching us out of games, but we are exactly at the spot a lot of people thought we would be in at this point of the season. Regardless of how Gentry has really screwed up some games.
This post was edited on 12/9/19 at 2:18 pm
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 12/9/19 at 2:39 pm to
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Griffin promised that we wouldnt be getting blown out, and that we would be fighting for wins.


You realize that the last game we played we set a record for the worst loss in franchise history right? Kind of bad timing for that post.
Posted by Bradle
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Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 12/9/19 at 2:50 pm to
I totally understand that. But I dont understand how 1 game out of the 22 games we have played this season, is a real representation of what this team is. It isnt. We all know it is an 82 game season, and that one game of 82 determains what a team isor will be, that just isn't realistic. If we have some more horrid blowouts like this, I'll be sure to hop on the train.


Firguretly speaking. If this team responds to that arse drumming and blows out Detroit by 20 or more. Everyone will be hoping back on the hype train. That's a fact, because I have seen it throughout the seven years I have lurked this board. Time and time again.
This post was edited on 12/9/19 at 2:53 pm
Posted by Smedium27
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Posted on 12/9/19 at 2:52 pm to
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Or fashion that this is an easy schedule to begin the season. I'll wait.


Are you Gentry?
Posted by Bradle
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Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 12/9/19 at 2:54 pm to
I have stated my disapproval with Gentry multiple times on this post.

This post was edited on 12/9/19 at 2:57 pm
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 12/9/19 at 3:18 pm to
Im actually not disagreeing that this team isnt trying, and that we were overhyping them, but its worse than you're making out.

quote:

Of, all the games mentioned we had 1 bad loss, and 1 bad blowout.


quote:

L - TOR -130-122 OT
L - DAL -123-116
L - HOU -126-123
L - GS -134-123
W - DEN -122-107
L - OKC -115-104
L - BKN -135-125
W - CHA -115-110
L - HOU -122-116
W - LAC -132-127
L - MIA -109-94
W - GS. -108-100
W - POR -115-104
W - PHX -124-121
L - UTH -128-120
L - LAC -134-109
L - LAL -114-110
L - OKC -109-104
L - OCK -107-104
L - DAL -118-97
L - PHX -139-132 OT
L - DAL -130-84


How were those good losses? And thats not even counting losing to a below average OKC team THREE times already. The last two were close but they were bad losses.

The team would have a different record if it wasnt for injuries no doubt. But they have not been competitive in more than your saying. I've been positive and tried to focus on the fact that this is still a rebuilding year like I did before the season, but I was hoping for a decent team, but this team as it sits is just plain bad.

If Zion gets back sooner than later, Favors comes back and Lonzo plays at least decent basketball, I still think we can win some games/be a decent looking team.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29657 posts
Posted on 12/9/19 at 3:37 pm to
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Of, all the games mentioned we had 1 bad loss


Let me recap those losses for you instead of just looking at final scores and thinking "see it's not that bad". Bad losses aren't when you get reamed like the last game. That's called not giving a shite about playing. Bad losses are when you're winning late in the game and lose, and we seem to lose any close game we are in.

We had a 3 point lead with 1:28 left against the Raptors. Loss.
We were down 4 with 50 seconds left against the Mavs. Turned the ball over, got a stop, turned the ball over, Mavs got 1 free throw, and then we had Lonzo take a 3 with 12 seconds left down 5. Loss
We were down 3 against the Rockets with a minute and half left. got a stop then missed a 3. got another stop then missed a 3. Got yet another stop, and got it to a 1 point game with 11 seconds left, and missed the final 3 to tie it.
We were never in the GSW game.
We were never in the OKC game
We were down 4 with 3 minutes left against Brooklyn and loss by 10.
We were never in the 2nd Raptors game.
We were never in the 2nd Rockets game.
We were down 5 with 8 minutes left against the Heat, and lost by 15.
We mounted a great comeback against the Jazz, in a game we were never in, and got it to 4 with 40 seconds left. Gave up not 1 but 2 offensive rebounds after jrue had 2 good stops on Mitchell, and we lost by 8.
Got blown out by the Clips
Led the entire game against the Lakers and let AD drag his nuts on us, then invited him into the locker room for tea and scrumpets, which was the stupidest thing i've ever heard a coach do in my life. I mean how the frick is Zion and Jaxson and NAW and Lonzo and Ingram and Hart supposed to feel about this bitch getting a welcome treatment after what he did? frick that dude, those guys don't know him or care about him, and they are the future of this team. If Uncle Alroy wanted a reunion with that bitch he could have done it at a restaurant before or after the game.
Had a 2 point lead with 5 minutes left against OKC. Scored 2 points the rest of the way and loss.
Next game against OKC, it's a tie game with 4 minutes left, 3 minutes later we are down 8 and lose.
Play Dallas and up 11 midway through the 2nd, then get outscored 90-62 over the next 2 and a half quarters.
Tie game with the ball for the last shot against the Suns, miss and go to OT and score 4 points in the first 4 minutes of OT.
Utter arse whipping in the last game against the Mavs.


I'm not expecting to win every close game, but you have to win some of them. That's the difference between the elite teams (win them more often than not), the middle of the road teams (win them against inferior opponents and occasionally against good teams), and shitty teams (hardly ever win them). We are a shitty team.

Posted by danilo
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 12/9/19 at 3:54 pm to
You act like it took MJ 7 years to win his first ring
This post was edited on 12/9/19 at 4:13 pm
Posted by Bradle
Houma
Member since Jul 2018
32 posts
Posted on 12/9/19 at 4:01 pm to
Off topic, but darn Teddy, I wish I had a memory as good as yours.

Believe me, I have watched every game besides two of the OKC games. I was at the Lakers game, even though the result wasnt what we wanted. I left a happy camper, besides the fact we let AD year us new arse holes. Him going to the locker room thing, is on gentry, which is also someone I have been wanting gone. I just don't see him possessing this winning mentality that Griff is trying to implement into this core.

I wouldn't consider games lost in the 0-10 point deffeceit bad losses. When you frame the losses like you stated, yes they sure do look bad.

All things considered, its apparent we need a closer. And we all know, we didnt acquire one in the offseason.


So, to me losses like that were to be expected until we 1, trade for a closer, or 2 train someone to be a closer on our team(b.i.) and that just doesnt happen over night.

I'm not sure about some of you guys, but I was never drinking the kool-aide. I thought by seasons end we would be between a mid table team, and a shite team. That is kind of where we are currently.

Posted by Bradle
Houma
Member since Jul 2018
32 posts
Posted on 12/9/19 at 4:06 pm to
Scratch the injuries. Going into the season. People expected us to be 10-20 30 games in. We aren't far off from how we were suppose to start the season. Our record is not something we didnt expect. We have had a lot of losses, that if this was a more experienced roster, playing together wise, we probably would have won. The beginning of the season was never going to be pretty. Gentries, BS, has just amplified the negative war drum against this team.

All I'm saying is, we right where we predicted we would be this far into the season. Let's see how the final 2/3s of the season plays out before we call this team complete crap. When, it's really not.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29657 posts
Posted on 12/9/19 at 4:09 pm to
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All things considered, its apparent we need a closer. And we all know, we didnt acquire one in the offseason.



We did, we just don't use him enough.
We've had Lonzo taking 3's at the end, Hart getting multiple last shots, and more often than not, Jrue getting the last shot.

Yeah Ingram has failed in the clutch a few times, but i'd much rather he continue to get the opportunity to fail, b/c i'm confident he will start succeeding. I know Jrue more than likely will continue to fail, and Lonzo should never take a clutch shot. If Redick isn't getting a play ran for him to get a shot off, then it should be Ingrams decision on who takes shots down the stretch of games. If he wants to pass the ball, that's on him, but it should be his choice, and we should have a coach that sets him up to succeed in the clutch, which we have done a poor job of doing.
Posted by Bradle
Houma
Member since Jul 2018
32 posts
Posted on 12/9/19 at 4:16 pm to
Do you believe Ingram was a boneified closer when we traded for him in the offseason. Or did you come to this conclusion after seeing how his game has improved since last season? How much experience does he have at closing games over his career?

I agree with everything your saying. Although, I believe you can't clamp closer on him just yet. He needs more time to be able to be labeled that. And I agree, gentry has held him back in progressing this trait of his game.

If you told me at this point of the season our record would be 6-17. I wouldnt be dissapointed by the overall, this is where the team was suppose to be, given our schedule and where we currently are in the season. If we were .500 or over. Then I would have actually been surprised.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20624 posts
Posted on 12/9/19 at 4:16 pm to
quote:

All things considered, its apparent we need a closer. And we all know, we didnt acquire one in the offseason.


Our closer is Zion Williamson. Really. He would be the closer on this team if healthy. And he needs to be. Soon enough, we'll be closing games with thunderous dunks instead of contested 3s. We just have to find a way to survive until then.
Posted by Bradle
Houma
Member since Jul 2018
32 posts
Posted on 12/9/19 at 4:22 pm to
That's my point. We are surviving. We were suppose to win 10 games of the first 30 with Zion. We already have 6 before 30 has been played, without Zion. If we reach 10 wins by 30 without Zion. We overachieved what was in the realm of reality with him actually not being injured.

For that, I'm ecstatic. This team could have easily crumbled, slid frick it. And have maybe 3 wins to its name by the time Zion got back. Although, that is not happening
This post was edited on 12/9/19 at 4:29 pm
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29657 posts
Posted on 12/9/19 at 4:22 pm to
quote:

Do you believe Ingram was a boneified closer when we traded for him in the offseason.


On a team with Lebron? not possible.
I'm not saying he's a great closer, as he obviously hasn't been, but it's also obvious he has the tools to be one, and it's not something you're going to just be awesome at from the get go. Give him his chances and let him learn, that's all.
Posted by Bradle
Houma
Member since Jul 2018
32 posts
Posted on 12/9/19 at 4:25 pm to
I totally agree with you, but as of now. We don't have a closer. I agree with Gentry mismanaging this entire team. Ingram should have been given the keys, at day one when Zion was injured. In grams ability to hone this closer trait is strickly on the back of Gentry. At this point he should be more developed in this area, but gentry hasn't given him the opportunities to really show and prove it.

Do you consider Zion a closer like stated above? Interested on your opinion on that.
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