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We the fans, overhyped this team. While forgetting realistic expectations.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 12/9/19 at 12:25 pm
This is the first year of the rebuild. It was never wise to think this is a playoff contender, yet.
We have the hardest schedule in the league for the first 1/3 of the season. Realistically, we were only suppose to win about ten games of the first thirty, WITH Zion. If you think about it. We have actually been kind of overachieving. Considering, no Zion. We all knew Ball would take a good amount of time to progress. We have gave the dude 20 games, and everyone is already ready to trade him. I just don't get it. The entirety of the roster was rebuilt, besides what, 4 players. How is that the formula of an off-season to be playoff contenders? We didnt receive an all-star in this trade.
We received players who could one day obtain all-star merits. Before we have had a full season to develope these players, some of you guys want to trade the house. Please explain how you guys thought we were playoff contenders?
Griffin promised that we wouldnt be getting blown out, and that we would be fighting for wins.
Even though we took a lot of close L's. He lived up to the hype when he said we would be competing. Which we are. These young dudes have to learn how to win, and be given time to figure out how to do so together.
If this is going on throughout the first 30 games next season, let's all melt.
Until then, I say we buckle in and trust the process. Hopefully gentry is gone by the start of next season.
But, lets try and not quite on a team in the first year of a rebuild, and mellow our expectations a bit.
We have the hardest schedule in the league for the first 1/3 of the season. Realistically, we were only suppose to win about ten games of the first thirty, WITH Zion. If you think about it. We have actually been kind of overachieving. Considering, no Zion. We all knew Ball would take a good amount of time to progress. We have gave the dude 20 games, and everyone is already ready to trade him. I just don't get it. The entirety of the roster was rebuilt, besides what, 4 players. How is that the formula of an off-season to be playoff contenders? We didnt receive an all-star in this trade.
We received players who could one day obtain all-star merits. Before we have had a full season to develope these players, some of you guys want to trade the house. Please explain how you guys thought we were playoff contenders?
Griffin promised that we wouldnt be getting blown out, and that we would be fighting for wins.
Even though we took a lot of close L's. He lived up to the hype when he said we would be competing. Which we are. These young dudes have to learn how to win, and be given time to figure out how to do so together.
If this is going on throughout the first 30 games next season, let's all melt.
Until then, I say we buckle in and trust the process. Hopefully gentry is gone by the start of next season.
But, lets try and not quite on a team in the first year of a rebuild, and mellow our expectations a bit.
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Posted on 12/9/19 at 12:27 pm to Bradle
We the fans didn’t do shite. The organization hyped the team up as much as anyone did. You wanna sit there and tell us we should be 1 of the 5 worst teams in the league? This team should never lose by 50 brah.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 12:34 pm to supe12sta12z
Have you looked at these boards over the past 5 months, nor the pelicans reddit? There has been a lot over overhype. Your delusional if you think otherwise. We lost ONE GAME by 50. Out of 82. What about the multiple games that went down to the wire? How about we pull up the roster that played during that 50 point loss. Everyone thinks they are an espn analyst, but doesnt have any credintials.
If we beat a team in the next 2 weeks by 40. Your opinions will more than likely be irrationally back on the hype train.
If we beat a team in the next 2 weeks by 40. Your opinions will more than likely be irrationally back on the hype train.
This post was edited on 12/9/19 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 12/9/19 at 12:37 pm to Bradle
Have you read any interviews Griffin had given out in the offseason? Yea I thought so. You think people didn’t come in with some tempered expectations before Griffin went on his media tour? A few folks were hyped but a lot of posters didn’t even think we break .500.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 12:38 pm to supe12sta12z
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If this is going on throughout the first 30 games next season, let's all melt.
When does the waiting game end? Sad thing is most fans who actually followed the pelicans only wanted a shot at the 8 seed. Settling on a close 10th seed was the true projection.
The New Orleans Excuses should be the new team name after Gentry came aboard. I wonder if the power point he showed the pelicans were actually black mail pictures he has on Gayle and that is why she can not let him go
It is the only thing that makes sense right now
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What about the multiple games that went down to the wire?
Yea the same games where we had double digit leads that diminished in the late 2nd and 4th qtr
This post was edited on 12/9/19 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 12/9/19 at 12:38 pm to Bradle
Yea losing by 50 is fine if you are winning some game brah. Losing by 50 after 7 straight losses and looking like the entire roster gave up ain’t a good look in any light.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 12:43 pm to Smedium27
So, you have any good information besides those loose opinions you stated. Look at our schedule. Did any of you guys even think we would be a .500 team at this point of the season? I surely didnt. I figured we would start slow, considering our strength of schedules, which a lot of you forum board warriors ignore might I add.
We will start chalking up more wins coming up, you know, when our schedule events out.
Every single team we have played besides maybe three up until this point. Are all playoffs teams. To think a newly rebuilt team was going to chalk up a .500 record throughout the beginning of the season, while we run through the gauntlet. Is just an asinine assessment, in my eyes.
What's crazy to me is, not many people on here are realizing this. And making that a counter arguement in other post. All the while lots of you guys like to boost about your knowledge of the stats. Although this specific one, is constantly drug under the rug.
We will start chalking up more wins coming up, you know, when our schedule events out.
Every single team we have played besides maybe three up until this point. Are all playoffs teams. To think a newly rebuilt team was going to chalk up a .500 record throughout the beginning of the season, while we run through the gauntlet. Is just an asinine assessment, in my eyes.
What's crazy to me is, not many people on here are realizing this. And making that a counter arguement in other post. All the while lots of you guys like to boost about your knowledge of the stats. Although this specific one, is constantly drug under the rug.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 12:46 pm to supe12sta12z
Griffin stated we would compete. Which we have, besides the 50 point blowout. Griffin also thought he would have Zion at the start of the season.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 12:46 pm to Bradle
Griff hyped this team, we are the damn fools that bought into it. No one expected a championship, but I think we all expected a team that played around .500 basketball.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 12:48 pm to saints5021
This was never going to be a team that was going to be .500. Real basketball fans knew this. Lots of people took what he stated out of context. If you actually take what he said in context. He wasnt extremely off. I dont remember griff stating we are a playoff team. He did state we would compete. Which we certainly have. Regardless if you blow a 20 point lead. If the score is within 7 when the whistle blows, you were indeed competing.
The only thing we knew that was completely off, if we are honest with ourselves, is Jrue getting MVP.
The only thing we knew that was completely off, if we are honest with ourselves, is Jrue getting MVP.
This post was edited on 12/9/19 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 12/9/19 at 12:49 pm to Bradle
You want to talk about progress? Let talk progress.
Losing to the Mavs and OKC in the same fashion when you play both team in a span of less than a week and still can’t make proper adjustments ain’t progress or development.
When you shuffle Moore, Jackson, and NAW in and out of games in which none of those guys know who’s going to play? You’re 20+ games in and you still can’t decide if you want to develop guys or play vets?
How about allowing Lonzo to shoot 10 3s in every game without any accountability.
Putting the ball in Holidays hand game after game only to watch him fumble the ball away. And still continue to go with it.
Are we developing or are we trying to win? Because nobody knows.
Losing to the Mavs and OKC in the same fashion when you play both team in a span of less than a week and still can’t make proper adjustments ain’t progress or development.
When you shuffle Moore, Jackson, and NAW in and out of games in which none of those guys know who’s going to play? You’re 20+ games in and you still can’t decide if you want to develop guys or play vets?
How about allowing Lonzo to shoot 10 3s in every game without any accountability.
Putting the ball in Holidays hand game after game only to watch him fumble the ball away. And still continue to go with it.
Are we developing or are we trying to win? Because nobody knows.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 12:49 pm to Bradle
Yes blame the fans, that will go over well
Posted on 12/9/19 at 12:50 pm to Upperdecker
Not griffis fault, our fan base has a lot of overhyping whine babies.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 12:58 pm to Bradle
Maybe if OKC didn't have 3 wins against us, they wouldn't be a playoff team.
The Mavs have kicked the shite out of us 3 times as well.
I agree that we will win some more games once we get some easier games on the schedule.
We have played OKC (0-3), GSW (1-1), and Phoenix (1-1) twice, Portland (1-0), Charlotte (1-0). Aside for OKC kicking our arse, we've done decent enough against the poorer teams we've played.
Our schedule really has been pretty brutal.
I don't think anyone expected us to go and beat playoff teams regularly, but outside of the Denver fluke win and a Kawhi less Clipper win, we've been destroyed by the playoff teams we've played. We aren't even remotely competitive in most of them. That's what's discouraging about the losses.
The Mavs have kicked the shite out of us 3 times as well.
I agree that we will win some more games once we get some easier games on the schedule.
We have played OKC (0-3), GSW (1-1), and Phoenix (1-1) twice, Portland (1-0), Charlotte (1-0). Aside for OKC kicking our arse, we've done decent enough against the poorer teams we've played.
Our schedule really has been pretty brutal.
I don't think anyone expected us to go and beat playoff teams regularly, but outside of the Denver fluke win and a Kawhi less Clipper win, we've been destroyed by the playoff teams we've played. We aren't even remotely competitive in most of them. That's what's discouraging about the losses.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 12:59 pm to supe12sta12z
Couldn't have said it better myself supe.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 1:03 pm to supe12sta12z
I am completely with you on the coaching issues.
Put that aside, I'm strickly talking about the expectations of our record up until this point. And we are where we were expected to be up to this point in the season.
I have a lot of issues with the development, game planning, lineups, and play calling out of the timeouts like everyone else here.
At the same time, I'm not sitting here flabbergasted at how we are a sub .500 team.
We really not doing THAT bad when you consider the coaches woes sprinkled in. That's my point.
There is still a lot to be excited about, but non of those things were going to happen overnight. Especially not through the first 30 games this season, when like said above. We have ran through the gauntlet this far.
Put that aside, I'm strickly talking about the expectations of our record up until this point. And we are where we were expected to be up to this point in the season.
I have a lot of issues with the development, game planning, lineups, and play calling out of the timeouts like everyone else here.
At the same time, I'm not sitting here flabbergasted at how we are a sub .500 team.
We really not doing THAT bad when you consider the coaches woes sprinkled in. That's my point.
There is still a lot to be excited about, but non of those things were going to happen overnight. Especially not through the first 30 games this season, when like said above. We have ran through the gauntlet this far.
This post was edited on 12/9/19 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 12/9/19 at 1:09 pm to Bradle
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Not griffis fault
Outside of Zion's injury and Lonzo sucking, I'm generally pretty pleased with how the year has progressed. Zion looked legit in preseason against some good NBA players, Ingram and Jaxson have both been better than expected, Hart looks like a key bench player, JJ looks like the kind of player that can put a good team over the top and is under contract for another year.
But setting that as the measure of success is absolutely not what Griffin did. It started with the Jrue can be MVP talk and escalated:
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New Orleans boasts switchable, long perimeter hounds across its lineups. “We’re going to be able to defend at an alarming pace,” Griffin says.
Currently ranked 29th in DRtg
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Instead of chasing ping pong balls, they expect to battle despite the West’s stingy field. Griffin warns New Orleans will play buyer at the trade deadline if the playoffs are within his grasp. “People are gonna be like, ‘What the f--- are they doing?’” he says. “We’re trying to win basketball games!”
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I can't find the quote now but he also said something before the season along the lines of "we're not going out there to lose, but to beat people's asses."
Should fans have more realistic expectations and see this as a rebuilding year?
Yes, and I've advocated for such many times here.
Should fans be angry and want Gentry fired?
When you have 1 winning season in 5 years...
This post was edited on 12/9/19 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 12/9/19 at 1:18 pm to TigerinATL
From what I remember he said we are not going out there with the mentality to lose, we are going out there to beat peoples arse. He was speaking on the mindset of the energy they want to have within games. A lot of those quotes are not the entirety of the quote and what he was trying portray. I don't believe that was the full quote of what he actually meant, that you stated, respectfully. To be fair on the defense, Griff also thought he would have Zion flying around. Swatting shots to the heavens when this statement was made.
I am on the same bandwagon, with Gentry. I havent been a fan of his emotionless approach for the past 3 years. The only time the guy has any personality is when the mic's are in his face. I just never saw him as a leader of an nba basketball team. So, I get it with everything involved, in context to Genrty.
I'm just not disappointed with the overall results so far into the season, we are exactly where I thought we would be. And doing way better than what I thought we would be, when i heard that Zion was not going to be playing.
Now, this was never a defend Gentry post. I wasnt revolving my ideals on Gentry alone, but the aspect of our record, that everyone is melting over. While personally, I believe we are overachieving without Zion just a tad, given strength of schedule yo to this point.
I am on the same bandwagon, with Gentry. I havent been a fan of his emotionless approach for the past 3 years. The only time the guy has any personality is when the mic's are in his face. I just never saw him as a leader of an nba basketball team. So, I get it with everything involved, in context to Genrty.
I'm just not disappointed with the overall results so far into the season, we are exactly where I thought we would be. And doing way better than what I thought we would be, when i heard that Zion was not going to be playing.
Now, this was never a defend Gentry post. I wasnt revolving my ideals on Gentry alone, but the aspect of our record, that everyone is melting over. While personally, I believe we are overachieving without Zion just a tad, given strength of schedule yo to this point.
This post was edited on 12/9/19 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 12/9/19 at 1:23 pm to Bradle
Imagine blaming the fans on this shite effort by this team and coach.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 1:26 pm to Bradle
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So, you have any good information besides those loose opinions you stated
What facts are you saying other than we have a tough schedule. Based off your theory we are going to go on a 7 game win streak instead when we enter the "easy" schedule
Btw we lost to the worse team in the NBA, the warriors and almost let them come back for a win the 2nd time. Yep that hard schedule
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