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Posted on 8/5/12 at 1:10 pm to 9th life
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so the arguably 2 greatest PFs of all time would be neutralized by 3 guys playing out of position?
i'd take lebron over malone or barkley at the 4, fwiw
Posted on 8/5/12 at 2:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
I agree but Robinson/Ewing combo in addition to Malone/Barkley would be way to much for the current team to handle.
The original dream team had 2 HOF centers in their prime. This team has a borderline allsatr with an extremely limted offensive game and that's it.
Seriously other than Chandler, who could guard Robinson or Ewing? Davis?
The original dream team had 2 HOF centers in their prime. This team has a borderline allsatr with an extremely limted offensive game and that's it.
Seriously other than Chandler, who could guard Robinson or Ewing? Davis?
Posted on 8/5/12 at 2:53 pm to STEVED00
this whole debate about 92/12 has turned ewing from a jump shooter to a monster post player 
robinson also loved him some jumpers
robinson also loved him some jumpers
Posted on 8/5/12 at 3:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
Seriously. Robinson and Ewing are legitimate 7 footers and 1st ballot HOFers. Both were very good rbs and good defenders and shot blockers.
I just don't think the the current squad could match up. This team just has too many guys who play the same position.
I just don't think the the current squad could match up. This team just has too many guys who play the same position.
Posted on 8/5/12 at 4:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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this whole debate about 92/12 has turned ewing from a jump shooter to a monster post player
ewing was a more complete post player than chandler ever will be, and he did it against better competition than the current NBA has to offer.
as for laughable assertions:
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i'd take lebron over malone or barkley at the 4, fwiw
Posted on 8/5/12 at 4:54 pm to 9th life
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ewing was a more complete post player than chandler ever will be
well no shite
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as for laughable assertions:
you wouldn't?
Posted on 8/5/12 at 5:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
take LbJ at the 4 over Barkley/Malone? no. not at all and i wouldnt think twice about it.
Lebron is a top 5 all-time talent, but not at every position.
Lebron is a top 5 all-time talent, but not at every position.
Posted on 8/5/12 at 5:35 pm to 9th life
i could see a possible argument for malone, but why would you ever take barkley over lebron at the 4?
Posted on 8/5/12 at 6:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
Barkley was just as dominant and physical as Malone, and the 4 was his natural position. Lebron would be at a defensive disadvantage if he were matched up against either and would be abused and worn out down low.
Posted on 8/5/12 at 8:01 pm to 9th life
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Lebron would be at a defensive disadvantage if he were matched up against either
no, he wouldn't...esp 6-4 barkley
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and would be abused and worn out down low.
he's almost as big as malone and bigger than barkley
Posted on 8/5/12 at 9:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
then why isnt lebron consistently defending in the post, or consistently posting players up? he isnt a 4 and i cant believe i am having this conversation.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 5:56 am to 9th life
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then why isnt lebron consistently defending in the post,
well he's best at the 3, but he typically guards whoever they need him to guard at the 2-4
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or consistently posting players up
posting up is dying in today's NBA b/c driving and 3 point shooting are more efficient ways to score
did you watch the finals though? lebron operated from the post like 50% of the time there
Posted on 8/6/12 at 8:13 am to SlowFlowPro
I think you are just underestimating how good Ewing and Robinson were (especially Robinson). Having a top end scoring presence at C would cause seriously defensive nightmares for '12 team.
Ewing/Robinson's ability to attacj the rim and knock down jump shots were severly limit '12 teams ability to provide weakside help.
I do agree that NBA is getting away from being a big man's game, but I think that is partly bc of the lack of really good bigs in the NBA.
Ewing/Robinson's ability to attacj the rim and knock down jump shots were severly limit '12 teams ability to provide weakside help.
I do agree that NBA is getting away from being a big man's game, but I think that is partly bc of the lack of really good bigs in the NBA.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 8:52 am to STEVED00
LBJ at the 4 would likely be just as good at Malone in his prime. He'd probably be a little better than Barkley, but if he and Barkley were going at it all game, LBJ would likley need a week off an an ice bath after the game IMO.
No doubt that Robinson and Ewing are better than Chandler and Love. I think the difference is that Robinson and/or Ewing could help Malone and/or Barkley on LBJ or whoever is at the PF position becuase they wouldn't have to worry about Chandler, Davis and Love as much.
However, they would also need help from the PGs to isolate the ally-oops from DWill and Paul. That's seems to be moslty what Chandler and Davis are good for.
I agree with this too. Howard and Bynum are the best big men in the NBA right now (and there is a huge drop off after that) and I don't think they are as good as Ewing, Robinson, Shaq, Olajuwon, Kareem, etc.
No doubt that Robinson and Ewing are better than Chandler and Love. I think the difference is that Robinson and/or Ewing could help Malone and/or Barkley on LBJ or whoever is at the PF position becuase they wouldn't have to worry about Chandler, Davis and Love as much.
However, they would also need help from the PGs to isolate the ally-oops from DWill and Paul. That's seems to be moslty what Chandler and Davis are good for.
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I do agree that NBA is getting away from being a big man's game, but I think that is partly bc of the lack of really good bigs in the NBA.
I agree with this too. Howard and Bynum are the best big men in the NBA right now (and there is a huge drop off after that) and I don't think they are as good as Ewing, Robinson, Shaq, Olajuwon, Kareem, etc.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 9:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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this whole debate about 92/12 has turned ewing from a jump shooter to a monster post player
I think they are the difference makers because of their defense, not their offense. I think 92 can control the paint better and take more options away from 12 to make them one dimensional but I don't think 12 can do the same to 92. Chandler and Iggy are relatively speaking offensive liabilities that get regular minutes. Who are the comparable regular rotation offensive liabilities for 92?
Posted on 8/6/12 at 9:13 am to TigerinATL
Olympics Board!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously, this thread has turned into a big, pointless argument.
Wasn't the original point that Davis should get more minutes? Davis would not play over Ewing or Barkley. End of argument.
Seriously, this thread has turned into a big, pointless argument.
Wasn't the original point that Davis should get more minutes? Davis would not play over Ewing or Barkley. End of argument.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 9:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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did you watch the finals though? lebron operated from the post like 50% of the time there
He was never posted up on anyone in the same league as Barkley or Malone. LBJ is a great talent and extremely versatile player, but the 4 is not his position.
To be honest, I doubt this team could beat 1996 Dream Team II.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 9:17 am to Jester
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Seriously, this thread has turned into a big, pointless argument.
You're not wrong but it is the Offseason.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 10:04 am to LSUAce007
I take solace in the fact that come 2016, Davis will be team USA's primary big.
ETA: Re 92 v 12, I am a huge CP3 guy, but the thought of him guarding Magic or MJ makes me chuckle a bit.
ETA: Re 92 v 12, I am a huge CP3 guy, but the thought of him guarding Magic or MJ makes me chuckle a bit.
This post was edited on 8/6/12 at 10:11 am
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