re: Trey Murphy shouldn't get the max

quote:

---

The cap 2 years from now is projected to be $156 million.

---

Most places I look, it's $165-171 ish. Looks like around $166 projected on Spotrac.

quote:

---

a. Gobert was a multi-time DPOY when he got his super max

---

he shouldn't be a max player.
DRTG last 4 years regular season
101
109
103
101

DRTG last 4 years in playoffs
117
112
116
117

Did the Pistons give 4x DPOY Ben Wallace a max contract? he averaged $5M/yr over there, then went to Chicago where they gave him $15M/yr for just 3 years, which was about 50% of what a max contract was at that time.
You'd have to be an idiot to give a guy a super max who literally has no offensive skills.

quote:

---

b. The NBA is all about projecting value, especially on the first deal after the rookie contract. You think TMac had skins on the wall to justify his huge deal with Orlando? James Harden and Houston? etc.

---

And that's what's stupid about the NBA at times.
Harden was a rare case in that he was able to show what he was capable of even though he was stuck in that 3rd role and only averaged 17ppg.
It was quite obvious TMac was a special player, and Orlando took a chance on him.
The Jazz gave Andre Kirilenko a max contract too after averaging 15ppg through his first 4 years, then he ceased to be a good player after that.
Jason Richardson got a max contract, but never was able to ascend to that top dog level. Really good player, but not worth of a max. He was traded 2 years later for the #8 pick and #36 pick.
Tobias Harris ring a bell?
Is Siakam really a max worthy player?


there are plenty of examples of it not working out. And i'm not saying those guys getting the max and it not working out aren't good players, they just aren't max players.
I just wish we reserved max money for the true top players in the league.

Which one of these guys deserves max money?
Cade Cunningham
Jalen Green
Evan Mobley
Scottie Barnes
Franz Wagner
Sengun
Trey

Have any of them proven they can be the best or 2nd best player on a contender?



There needs to be more tiers of max contracts.
the rookie extension max should be 20% of the cap. If you make an all nba team in one of those 1st 5 years, then it can be 25%, and if you make it twice or more then it can be 30%
Stop giving out ridiculous contracts to people who haven't proven it yet. Guys who aren't even in the conversation to make an all-star team shouldn't be getting max contracts.





and just to be clear, what we saw from Trey against Washington was a max player. The only reason i'm saying he shouldn't get max money, is b/c he hasn't proven it just yet to me, but he most certainly can prove it this year, even as the third guy.
What I want to see from Trey is more creation off the dribble when he's run off the 3 point line, maintaining that 40% 3 point shooting, and most importantly being a good rebounder and showing some rim protection, something i thought he's actually done really well at to start this year.

And Cam Johnson, who's a good comparison for Trey, makes 19% of the cap in his first year ($24M), then 17% then 14% and 14%. Sort of a weird contract that reduces the annual amount over time, but that's a contract Trey should be around for the time being, with the ability to show he deserves just a bit more. 20% of the Cap is more than enough for what Trey is providing

Again stop moving goal posts. We're talking about scoring potential and how being a 4th+ option limits that ceiling and does not allow the player to showcase their abilities.

I bet nobody saw Giannas as a star player after his rookie year. Same thing with Fox, Garland, Curry, Bane, Brunson, etc. See how stupid that sounds?

quote:

---

It’s silly to expect a guy you pay the maximum amount of money to, to be the best player on the team, or at least the second best?

---

That depends on how good your 1/2 are.

quote:

---

That depends on how good your 1/2 are.

---

Bingo

Compare him to CJ. We paid CJ a couple of seasons ago but also as a veteran, which is going to be on a different pay scale than a young guy.

When it comes time to pay Trey, you pay Trey based on his value and how well you project him to be as a player. You don't look at what CJ has, compare Trey to CJ then decide if Trey should get more or less than CJ to make sure your 2nd best player is paid 2nd most, 3rd best player is paid 3rd most, etc. That's not how it works since players are getting paid at different times under different salary caps at different points in their careers.

Guys that can take more than 7 3’s a game and make more than 40% of those shots are pretty rare.

There are currently 6 guys doing that league wide this season.

5 guys did it last season (Curry, Klay, Heild, Porter Jr., Bane).

Given that Trey is not a black hole in other areas like Heild, if you think Trey is that level shooter you give him whatever contract he commands to keep that skill set in this small market - in my opinion.

quote:

---

On top of that, Cam entered the league 2 years older than Trey.

---

Good catch

Year 2 Cam was 24 years old and averaged 9.8ppg

Year 2 Trey at 22 years old averaged 14.7ppg




Or another way to put it with the same 2 year difference, Trey is the same age now as Cam Johnson was his rookie year, so it wouldn't really be unfair to compare Trey's stats this season to Cam's rookie season stats.

I’d look more towards say a Devin Vassell’s trajectory and subsequent payday when fishing around for what a possible rookie extension may look like

Even then, Trey is 4-5 inches taller than Vassell. His height, shooting, and athleticism make his potential very high.

I think he's closer to Bane prior to this season than he is to Vassell. Just not as advanced as Bane onball yet but Bane is two years older at the same time.