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re: To add insult to injury
Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:40 pm to Pels_Yaz
Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:40 pm to Pels_Yaz
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but if this continues hes much better than Herb and pels may have traded the wrong defender.
Dyson would also be a lot more expensive than Herb, even if Dyson becomes a better defender there difference would not be worth what Dyson will get paid with that rookie extension.
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Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:44 pm to Jar_Jar_80
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Dyson would also be a lot more expensive than Herb, even if Dyson becomes a better defender there difference would not be worth what Dyson will get paid with that rookie extension.
Its not just he would be a better defender. He would potentially be a better offensive player and more of a point guard that you need. If you know Dyson overall be the better player in every way you don’t trade him because you’re afraid you have to pay him. You make room for him by trading the guy who’s not as good. If pels knew Dyson would play like this and continue to do so(we’ll see). They wouldn’t care about the financials.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:53 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Its not just he would be a better defender. He would potentially be a better offensive player and more of a point guard that you need. If you know Dyson overall be the better player in every way you don’t trade him because you’re afraid you have to pay him. You make room for him by trading the guy who’s not as good. If pels knew Dyson would play like this and continue to do so(we’ll see). They wouldn’t care about the financials.
Dyson has improved but dude is still shooting 27% from 3 and 50% from the line. You can't be a pg and be that bad of a free throw shooter, so to say he is a better player than Herb in every way is just not true.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:59 pm to Jar_Jar_80
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Dyson has improved but dude is still shooting 27% from 3 and 50% from the line. You can't be a pg and be that bad of a free throw shooter, so to say he is a better player than Herb in every way is just not true.
This is all potentially by the way but if he continues playing this way- Herb being a 40 percent shooter from three and doing nothing else will not counteract the offensive impact Dyson is having currently despite not shooting well. His overall FG percebtage is higher- even though his 3 pt shooting and free throws are down. Meaning hes scoring often and more efficiently at the rim. Hes just scoring and assisting more than Herb has or probably will.
Now this is a lot due to how the Hawks are built and how we’re built around 2 stars who aren’t really 3 pt shooters(talked about it in other thread). Yes Herb is the better shooter but that doesn’t necessarily make him the better offensive player. Dyson looks like a creator; as far as we’ve seen Herb doesn’t create much. Again time will tell- im not set on this take. But its not looking great on which player the pels should have kept.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 12:22 am to WhiteMandingo
Maybe? Nga Willie is one of the worse coaches in NBA history. Ain't no maybe my dawg. Dude is trash with the X's and O's, trash as a verbal motivator, trash with rotations, ect.
He does not have a single good skill in coaching. I wouldn't want him as an assistant or anywhere near a team of mine, and I'm a Detroit nga so I should have some love for him.
Nah. That nga sucks.
He does not have a single good skill in coaching. I wouldn't want him as an assistant or anywhere near a team of mine, and I'm a Detroit nga so I should have some love for him.
Nah. That nga sucks.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 12:33 am to WhiteMandingo
Coaching matters. You just look at his play in the final minute 5 minutes to see how much better he is in the clutch there with a coach like Synder while everyone looks like bad basketball players here closing games for the past 4 seasons with Green. It's no coincidence.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 12:50 am to Jar_Jar_80
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to say he is a better player than Herb in every way is just not true
Maybe not this exact moment.
Dyson is 21 and Herb is 26.
Herb didn't shoot > 34% from 3pt until age 25.
Its not even a comparison. One was elite at 18 the other elite at 23. The difference between a lottery pick and a late 2nd rd pick.
No disrespect to Herb but Dyson will end up better.
And I told y'all this.
This post was edited on 11/13/24 at 12:51 am
Posted on 11/13/24 at 1:42 am to ZForMVPFromThe313
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Nga
Please type out this word to explain what this means? You use it everywhere I’m confused.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 1:44 am to Dantheman504
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And I told y'all this.
Your flowers can be collected after the season officially ends.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 2:43 am to Pels_Yaz
I thought Dyson looked very awkward as an offensive player, tentative and mechanical with the ball, almost like he wasn't a natural basketball player.
He looks much better in ATL offensively, just in terms of being decisive and instinctual. Maybe it was how we were using him or coaching, because this version of Dyson looks much closer to the scouting evaluations he had in the draft...
He looks much better in ATL offensively, just in terms of being decisive and instinctual. Maybe it was how we were using him or coaching, because this version of Dyson looks much closer to the scouting evaluations he had in the draft...
Posted on 11/13/24 at 2:44 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:And you will stay confused *shrugs*
Please type out this word to explain what this means? You use it everywhere I’m confused.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 7:06 am to Bdnp1
Our role players in Nola are held back by our “stars”.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 9:25 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:He's been legitimately awful at offense this season, fwiw.
Whats scary is what hes doing offensively.
Like, very very awful.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 9:34 am to Dantheman504
quote:We know Herb has and can be a net positive offensive player.
Maybe not this exact moment.
Dyson is 21 and Herb is 26.
Herb didn't shoot > 34% from 3pt until age 25.
Its not even a comparison. One was elite at 18 the other elite at 23. The difference between a lottery pick and a late 2nd rd pick.
No disrespect to Herb but Dyson will end up better.
And I told y'all this.
Dyson is young and has time to improve but we do not know if he'll ever be a net positive offensive player.
He's in year 3 and still very bad at offense, there's zero guarantee he'll ever be even net neutral on that side of the ball.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 9:49 am to shel311
You can probably switch Dyson with Herb or even Hawkins and they'll probably look better offensively with a better coach and there will be complaints about the trade regardless. There's no contest between Green and Synder in the coaching department.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 9:54 am to shel311
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He's been legitimately awful at offense this season, fwiw. Like, very very awful.
His FG percentage is up despite his bad 3 pt shooting meaning hes shooting better at the rim. I get it his 3 pt shooting and free throws suck despite this hes still scoring 14 pts per game. You may disagree but I think hes finding a way to impact the game offensively despite his 3 pt shooting woes.
That being said could he have done that with our team with our lack of shooting- probably not.
This post was edited on 11/13/24 at 9:57 am
Posted on 11/13/24 at 11:41 am to Pels_Yaz
They can say why they want about his distance % but I saw that kid pull up from deep last night confidently and bury it to tie the game with 4 minutes left. You can’t bet against someone like that who you know will be in the gym for hours and hours working on that 3 and FT shot. Maybe he won’t be a 45% 3 pt and 90% FT but I bet he’ll creep up.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 12:08 pm to spaghettioeauxs
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I was one of the only few who said Dyson should have been untouchable after the DJM trade. But we wouldn’t have utilized him properly anyways.
I’ve been driving the DD bus, he was my fav pick and one of the few that I agreed on Griff with.
This is why I wanted Trae so bad in the offseason. Having him and Herb next to each other would have been great.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 12:27 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:Not really, more so meaning because his 3pt rate is down drastically, which is not a good thing. His 2pt FG% is up but slightly
His FG percentage is up despite his bad 3 pt shooting meaning hes shooting better at the rim
His 3pt attemlt rate has plunged from 43% to 31% which is not good.
Assist rate also down.
FT% down
Overall scoring efficiency down
He's not better, he's the same dude offensively he was the last 2 seasons, just with more usage now.
quote:On 13 shots which is very inefficient and goes to my point above...all that's changed is his usage.
I get it his 3 pt shooting and free throws suck despite this hes still scoring 14 pts per game
quote:Examples?
You may disagree but I think hes finding a way to impact the game offensively despite his 3 pt shooting woes
His TS% is 51.7%, and he's averaging 3.2 assists per 36. Where exactly is he impacting the game on offense?
Posted on 11/13/24 at 12:30 pm to Townedrunkard
quote:Feels like you're more married to this take so not really acknowledging how he's still bad offensively, with no true guarantee he'll ever be a net positive offensive basketball player.
I’ve been driving the DD bus, he was my fav pick and one of the few that I agreed on Griff with.
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