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re: Thoughts on trading jrue while his value is at its peak
Posted on 5/12/19 at 3:53 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 5/12/19 at 3:53 pm to Lester Earl
Do you realize that the guys you are citing are the vast, vast minority and that on average, when you replace a coach, there is historically minimal improvement over the prior regime?
Also, the examples you cite had other structures and foundations firmly in place with the core of the roster also in place. When Bud and Kerr were hired, the core players and the direction were known, it just needed tweaking.
The bottom line is you will not be able to find examples of what you are seemingly wanting to do - Clear out and restructure the FO, change the coach, trade your franchise player and your second player and come out the other end the better for it.
Thats NBA2K type shite but not how anybody would do it in reality.
Also, the examples you cite had other structures and foundations firmly in place with the core of the roster also in place. When Bud and Kerr were hired, the core players and the direction were known, it just needed tweaking.
The bottom line is you will not be able to find examples of what you are seemingly wanting to do - Clear out and restructure the FO, change the coach, trade your franchise player and your second player and come out the other end the better for it.
Thats NBA2K type shite but not how anybody would do it in reality.
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Posted on 5/12/19 at 4:01 pm to Crewz
While that makes sense bc jrue is likeable and humble, tickets get sold for teams who can win. As good as jrue is he’s not the #1 option on a winning team. If you can get young guys now with potential you set yourself up for winning basketball in the near future which will get fan support. Jrue and AD didn’t sell out the arena let alone jrue and scrubs or jrue with a fringe playoff team.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 4:06 pm to HEAVYtiger23
You are far too focused on that small part of the reason. Again, the biggest reason is that you are trying to set a culture here and if you tell everybody the culture is about being all in or all out and your (now) best player screams he is 'All in' and then you trade him, you won't get buy in again and you killed your culture before you even planted the first seed.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 4:07 pm to Crewz
quote:
Building trust goes both ways and sometimes requires sacrifice
This is my main Con to getting rid of Jrue, bc if he dies buy in and says he will stay you can’t trade a loyal star player in a small market and not pay for it down the road. That’s why I was just considering it but not necessarily suggesting it. It’d be a risk no doubt
Posted on 5/12/19 at 4:11 pm to Crewz
quote:
The bottom line is you will not be able to find examples of what you are seemingly wanting to do - Clear out and restructure the FO, change the coach, trade your franchise player and your second player and come out the other end the better for it.
The Celtics tore it down after the Doc Rivers era and Added Brad Stevens and we’re better for it. That’s one without even digging
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Do you realize that the guys you are citing are the vast, vast minority and that on average, when you replace a coach, there is historically minimal improvement over the prior regime?
Of course they are. I just can’t get on board with the notion that better options will be available next year all of a sudden. Yes I want a coach that has the right players, but more importantly I want someone that is adaptable, innovative & able to communicate a clear message.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 4:18 pm to Lester Earl
The Bensons literally paid 2 guys over 20 million to frick off in Gallette and Graham..
Money is not the reason.
Money is not the reason.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 4:21 pm to Soggymoss
The Saints traded Graham so they wouldn’t have to pay him. Wut
Directly before he was due a roster bonus
Directly before he was due a roster bonus
Posted on 5/12/19 at 4:25 pm to Lester Earl
Its like you have no desire to even want to engage and possibly learn. Just be stubborn and try to win some prize that will never come.
Listen again, and try again - A FO restructure, a HC change, dumping of your superstar and his sidekick, all in one offseason.
It doesn't happen. Celtics had the foundation in place. They had an elite FO and changed their path, went for the rebuild. They made the trade, which set their direction, THEN they went and got a new coach.
That is a fine order.
Again, you won't find what you are advocating for. But I don't think you even want a conversation where you grow and learn, so I will stop and you can feel like you know what you are talking about without me here to bother you with these little things called facts
Listen again, and try again - A FO restructure, a HC change, dumping of your superstar and his sidekick, all in one offseason.
It doesn't happen. Celtics had the foundation in place. They had an elite FO and changed their path, went for the rebuild. They made the trade, which set their direction, THEN they went and got a new coach.
That is a fine order.
Again, you won't find what you are advocating for. But I don't think you even want a conversation where you grow and learn, so I will stop and you can feel like you know what you are talking about without me here to bother you with these little things called facts
Posted on 5/12/19 at 4:44 pm to Crewz
So...does Jrue even want Davis back if he is pumped to have his own team?
Posted on 5/12/19 at 4:46 pm to Crewz
At what point in Griffin’s tenure will he be fully equipped to make decisions? What else does he need around him? Because they have some pretty big decisions coming up here
And Unless it has to do with salary cap there’s not much I’m looking to learn from you Michael
And Unless it has to do with salary cap there’s not much I’m looking to learn from you Michael
Posted on 5/12/19 at 4:47 pm to Lester Earl
I won't try to educate you on NFL deals, but they paid him 12 million to trade him
Posted on 5/12/19 at 4:49 pm to Crewz
quote:
Listen again, and try again - A FO restructure, a HC change, dumping of your superstar and his sidekick, all in one offseason.
It doesn't happen. Celtics had the foundation in place. They had an elite FO and changed their path, went for the rebuild. They made the trade, which set their direction, THEN they went and got a new coach.
For something that has never existed, you sure do act like there is a blueprint there. Maybe they need to call you, bubba
Posted on 5/12/19 at 4:55 pm to Soggymoss
I will allow you to educate me, soggy. Please explain how teasing graham was anything but a cost saving move
Posted on 5/12/19 at 4:58 pm to Lester Earl
The NFL has a hard cap that is essentially paid for by the TV money. Spending or not spending on players reflects on roster management philosophies more than willingness or unwillingness of ownership to spend money.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 5:02 pm to TigerinATL
I agree.
It wasn’t my point, it was his. I’d never compare the 2.
It wasn’t my point, it was his. I’d never compare the 2.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 5:26 pm to PelicanFever
Finally.... somebody asked a good question ;)
Posted on 5/12/19 at 5:32 pm to Crewz
MM quick question:
How big of a chance does the AD deal have of becoming a 3 way trade?
Is imagine teams would be interested
Or too early to speculate?
How big of a chance does the AD deal have of becoming a 3 way trade?
Is imagine teams would be interested
Or too early to speculate?
Posted on 5/12/19 at 5:32 pm to Lester Earl
Saints signed him to a 40 million dollar deal with $12 million guaranteed as a signing bonus.
They traded him less than a year later.
In the NFL when a team gives a player a signing bonus, that team is responsible for the signing bonus, and New Orleans had to eat the 12 million to trade him (which was already paid to him by that time BTW).
So in essence, the Saints paid him 12 million to frick off after he threw his "I'm a WR" tantrum
They traded him less than a year later.
In the NFL when a team gives a player a signing bonus, that team is responsible for the signing bonus, and New Orleans had to eat the 12 million to trade him (which was already paid to him by that time BTW).
So in essence, the Saints paid him 12 million to frick off after he threw his "I'm a WR" tantrum
Posted on 5/12/19 at 5:35 pm to LosLobos111
Griffin will flip things he gets in the AD trade. Could be immediately, could be later in summer, could be in February.
But he is gonna get a crap ton of pieces, but not every one of those pieces will be here forever. He wants at least two core pieces from the trade, but he also wants to identify other core pieces elsewhere and will use assets he gets in this deal to do it
My guess is that it won't be immediately. I would bet this AD trade is made and another one is made in Jan or Feb, using some assets he gets in AD trade. It just is the more likely outcome historically
But he is gonna get a crap ton of pieces, but not every one of those pieces will be here forever. He wants at least two core pieces from the trade, but he also wants to identify other core pieces elsewhere and will use assets he gets in this deal to do it
My guess is that it won't be immediately. I would bet this AD trade is made and another one is made in Jan or Feb, using some assets he gets in AD trade. It just is the more likely outcome historically
Posted on 5/12/19 at 5:36 pm to Soggymoss
Turned out to be a great decision
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