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This team has too much talent to be this disappointing

Posted on 11/1/17 at 8:04 pm
Posted by Louisianabound88
BR
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 11/1/17 at 8:04 pm
Hopefully rondo clean a few things up like the absurd turnovers. I see grown professional basketball players dribbling the ball off their feet turning the ball over. Cunningham is trash, we better use that 1st round pick on a true SF. Jrue robbed us, I like his game but not for $126M
Posted by Ryan3232
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Member since Dec 2008
25794 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 8:24 pm to
It's the defense, lack of hustle, lack of rebounding, and dumb plays on offense that are killing us. To me, that has nothing to do with talent. Gentry needs to lead this damn team, but he isn't that great of a leader imo. We're in deep shite.
Posted by Jnola
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2016
1231 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 8:50 pm to
Just my opinion I think a lot of guys on this team are decent player but have low basketball IQ like the play jrue was wide open for the 3 he pass it up to let Dante a really bad shooter take the 3 smh
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110828 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:12 pm to
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This team has too much talent to be this disappointing

100%

Early in the season, but we're awfully close from me losing all hope for this team making the playoffs, at which point I lose all hope in AD actually being a legit top 5 ish player like I thought he's been these past few seasons.
Posted by lsuson
Metairie
Member since Oct 2013
12170 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:23 pm to
Starts with Demps. He's a cancer. Gentry is next.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110828 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:32 pm to
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Starts with Demps. He's a cancer. Gentry is next.
Agreed on Demps and Gentry.

But we gotta look to our 2 best players as well, they can put up all the numbers they want, this falls on them as well.

The truly great players simply do not have teams that perform this poorly for this long, that never happens.
This post was edited on 11/1/17 at 9:32 pm
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 10:11 pm to
Serious question, take away obvious tanking teams and can you name a worse bench and role player unit than what the Pels are currently running with?

Because I can't. And that is a problem.

Cousins played 41 minutes tonight, AD 43.

You just can't expect our two top stars(one of which is not conditioned for that many minutes, the other one too injury prone to be putting this many miles on night in and night out) to play that much and still be firing on all cylinders by crunch time in the fourth. It reminds me of Westbrook a couple years back when KD was out, they lacked role players, and he would try and do everything and then be gassed by the late fourth and they would lose games.

And we are forced to do this because Moore is a guard that should be getting 10 minutes at most on a contender. Cunningham the same. Diallo shouldn't even be playing. Miller should of never needed to be signed if not for the roster criminality Demps has committed, let alone getting minutes. And our supposed third star is really just a streaky above average combo guard who has a tendency to make the worst decisions in crunch time.

Even if Rondo and Hill could come back this would remain a problem because they are not scorers. We might of won a game like tonight but scoring is a real problem.

I honestly can only blame coaching so much because we just don't have the talent to work with outside our two stars. I mean replace Cunningham with Young, Snell, or CJ Miles and we likely have this win. Replace Moore with a Gary Harris or Wesley Matthews and we have this win.

I genuinely thought that we could at least rely on Jrue to at least muster up 17-19 ppg most nights. Moore and Cunningham to reliably hit at least 3-4 three pointers a night between them, and Miller to at least knock down open shots. But we can't. When your two stars can reliably get you 60-65 points a night and 20-25 rebounds, and you are below .500, that to me signals you have royally screwed up filling out the rest of the roster.
This post was edited on 11/1/17 at 10:15 pm
Posted by Jnola
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2016
1231 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 10:21 pm to
?? agreed
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
87455 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:49 pm to
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This team has too much talent to be this disappointing


All of that talent is in 2 players that play the same position. They are both amazing. Holiday is an above average player. Aside from that, the team has no depth at all.
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:57 pm to
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All of that talent is in 2 players that play the same position. They are both amazing. Holiday is an above average player. Aside from that, the team has no depth at all.



And what role players we have are not very complimentary.

You can imagine that if you replace Jrue with a Rubio for instance, we probably have a couple more wins right now.

If you give Jrue, Cousins, and Davis a Reddick and CJ Miles or Nick Young we are invading SportsCenter highlights and getting bi-daily pundit discussions about our potential. We aren't that far off, but the problem is we are so anchored by bad decisions and barren assets that I don't even think we could swing a trade for someone like Mario Hezonja at this point.
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
12721 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:06 am to
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You can imagine that if you replace Jrue with a Rubio for instance, we probably have a couple more wins right now


I’m not even sure if Jrue is in the top 20 PG discussion much longer after this draft class gets a year under them and we just gave him 5/130. I’ll reserve judgment until I see him play off ball, but it seems he’s just not a high enough IQ player to mesh with two star bigs. It sucks, because the talent is there. He checks so many boxes, yet he just can’t put this puzzle together yet.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:38 am to
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All of that talent is in 2 players that play the same position. 


Yeah. Not sure why anyone thinks the Pels are a talented team. 2 big questions coming in:

Can Davis/Cousins maximize each other?

Is there enough help on the roster

Davis/Cousins have played some great basketball together and it often isn't enough.


Still way too early to throw in the towel. There's been enough good to keep things interesting this season. But they are likely a .500 team, at best. People who talked themselves into this being a 45-50 win team are finally seeing things clearly.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 7:07 am to
Ziller, as usual, brings the heat.

Not Even Boogie Cousins Can Save the Pelicans from their General Manager's Mistakes

here are some highlights, most of which have been discussed much here


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In other words, the Pelicans are +14 per 48 minutes — something like a 60-win team — with Cousins and Davis on the floor together. They’re a -13 per 48 minutes — something like a 20-win team — when one or both sits.

This is a failure of team-building.




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Demps didn’t do much in free agency before this season because he couldn’t. He’d hamstrung himself over the years with bad deals and poor draft picks. Demps traded a draft pick for Omer Asik, a lumbering relic with no place in the modern NBA. He compounded the mistake by giving Asik an enormous contract in free agency. Asik hasn’t seen a second of action this season. That same summer of 2015, Demps gave Alexis Ajinca — another center who isn’t fit for today’s NBA — a sizeable deal.

These centers aren’t just limiting New Orleans’ cap space. They are taking up valuable roster spots since the Pelicans are unwilling to cut bait and pay them to go away


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Consider this: Demps’ Pelicans has traded the team’s 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 first-round picks for Holiday, Asik, and Cousins.


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Now we are learning that the few huge roster victories can’t paper over the parade of failures.
Posted by BengalShark
Member since Jul 2017
3207 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 7:21 am to
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
3673 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 7:30 am to
Lmao they lost two games. This is basket ball ladies and gentlemen. I know we live in Louisiana where FB rules apply to everything but it's a different thing in basketball. You're OK of you lose a couple of games. Hell you're ok if you lose 30 games.
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
30110 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 8:17 am to
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Lmao they lost two games. This is basket ball ladies and gentlemen. I know we live in Louisiana where FB rules apply to everything but it's a different thing in basketball. You're OK of you lose a couple of games. Hell you're ok if you lose 30 games.


Except the teams that lose 30 games have the roster to win the other 52. We on the other hand, have the talent for 30 and potential for 41.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:23 am to
Ryan,
Litany of awful.
Your observation is both condemnation of coach but also the nonsense of having 30+ teams.
Doofus play may be traced to 200 guys you would not pick if your life depended on it.
16 teams. Thats how many nba ready guys there are.
And worse, there cant be real consequences if most of the team are scrubs.
I suppose fines would help.
I would use techniques the union would object to. Running to the rafters. Turnover = run to rafters.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 9:26 am
Posted by Machine
Earth
Member since May 2011
6001 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 11:17 am to
i'm just happy we have a pulse to start a season for a change
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110828 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:14 pm to
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All of that talent is in 2 players that play the same position. They are both amazing. Holiday is an above average player. Aside from that, the team has no depth at all.

2 amazing players plus 1 above average player plus trash should win 45+ games and not have too much of an issue getting to the playoffs IMO.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110828 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:16 pm to
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They’re a -13 per 48 minutes — something like a 20-win team — when one or both sits.
I wonder what each guy specifically is by themselves on the court?

Whatever it is, it is unacceptable and those 2 players are too good to allow even a cast of scrubs around them to falter THAT much when they're on the floor.
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