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re: The Official Trade Proposal Thread
Posted on 5/21/24 at 9:59 am to Epic Cajun
Posted on 5/21/24 at 9:59 am to Epic Cajun
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Trae would absolutely be my number 1 target this offseason if I was Griff, but I don't know if he has to balls to do it.
Trading Ingram and picks for Trae Young is a no brainer. It might even be an easier decision than picking Wembanyama #1.
Griffin is going to have to earn his money when Atlanta demands Herb and Capella be involved in the deal. I don't have the answer on how to do it, but he needs to keep Herb while still getting the deal done. Herb's salary and fit are vital to making Trae and Zion work.
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Posted on 5/21/24 at 10:22 am to Epic Cajun
Hawks get BI, Cole Anthony, Naji, '25 & '27 Pels 1st
Magic get Garland
Cavs get CJ, Isaac, Dyson, '25 & '27 Magic 1st
Pels get Trae, Bogdanvich, Allen
Ask Torrey Craig to opt out of his $2.5M player option. Give him 2/$8M.
Draft Daron Holmes
Bring over Karlo and sign Saric 2/$10M (both are from Croatia, might help with Karlo's developement)
EJ and JRE get dumped
Trae/Jose
Herb/Bogdanvich/Hawkins
Trey/Craig/Ryan
Zion/Holmes/Karlo/Saric
Allen/Larry/Zeller
That keeps us comfortably under the tax, and if Hawkins makes the jump we expect then we can move Bogdanivich next offseason to make some room for Trey.
Magic get Garland
Cavs get CJ, Isaac, Dyson, '25 & '27 Magic 1st
Pels get Trae, Bogdanvich, Allen
Ask Torrey Craig to opt out of his $2.5M player option. Give him 2/$8M.
Draft Daron Holmes
Bring over Karlo and sign Saric 2/$10M (both are from Croatia, might help with Karlo's developement)
EJ and JRE get dumped
Trae/Jose
Herb/Bogdanvich/Hawkins
Trey/Craig/Ryan
Zion/Holmes/Karlo/Saric
Allen/Larry/Zeller
That keeps us comfortably under the tax, and if Hawkins makes the jump we expect then we can move Bogdanivich next offseason to make some room for Trey.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 10:25 am to mhasen1
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Griffin is going to have to earn his money when Atlanta demands Herb and Capella be involved in the deal.
ATL only wanted Herb so he could play with Trae. I doubt they care as much about getting Herb if they are keeping Murray instead of Trae.
Trae and Herb have to play together. Trae can't work without Herb.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 10:38 am to TeddyPadillac
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ATL only wanted Herb so he could play with Trae. I doubt they care as much about getting Herb if they are keeping Murray instead of Trae.
Trae and Herb have to play together. Trae can't work without Herb.
Pairing Trae and Herb was likely their intention, but Atlanta wants to get as much value as they can get. And I'm not sure that they won't be trading both Trae and Murray this year. Winning the lottery allows them to reset around Jalen Johnson, the #1 pick, and whatever they can get in trades. They will looking for value more than fit. And Herb Jones on that contract is about as good of a value as anyone outside of the top 5 players in the league.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 10:44 am to mhasen1
well then tough shite.
I"m not trading for Trae Young without keeping Herb.
I'd trade TM3 in that scenario first, and if i'm doing that, then now i'm in the driver seat to demand what i want.
and if they don't like that, then i dont make the trade.
I'd normally say i woudln't let trading Herb stop me from getting a superstar, but in this instance i would as i think it's absolute necessary to have Herb start with Trae Young.
For instance, if the Cavs wanted Bi and Herb for Mitchell, i'd do that in a heartbeat.
I"m not trading for Trae Young without keeping Herb.
I'd trade TM3 in that scenario first, and if i'm doing that, then now i'm in the driver seat to demand what i want.
and if they don't like that, then i dont make the trade.
I'd normally say i woudln't let trading Herb stop me from getting a superstar, but in this instance i would as i think it's absolute necessary to have Herb start with Trae Young.
For instance, if the Cavs wanted Bi and Herb for Mitchell, i'd do that in a heartbeat.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 10:50 am to TeddyPadillac
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well then tough shite.
I"m not trading for Trae Young without keeping Herb.
I agree 100%. That's why I said Griffin is going to have to earn his money
Posted on 5/21/24 at 11:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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The difference is Crazy Kyrie has top-10 potential. Trae has top-25 potential
Kyrie is freaking crazy and has tore apart numerous teams. And it’s been quite a few years he’s played anywhere near a top 10 level. Mavs had absolutely no other choice after losing Brunson. Luka wasn’t going to be far behind if they didn’t add a talent like Kyrie.
Honestly I would not have touched Kyrie, but desperate times call for desperate measures.
We are not to that point yet, but if Griff fricks up this BI trade, we will be on our way. Honestly I think Zion would be more pumped to play with Trae than anyone we have a chance to acquire and even more so than BI.
This post was edited on 5/21/24 at 11:23 am
Posted on 5/21/24 at 11:28 am to Dantheman504
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We really don't need Trae to be "top 10". If he can stay a consistent "top 25"
Top-25 is his ceiling. He's closer to 40-60 (and trending downward
) Posted on 5/21/24 at 11:29 am to Epic Cajun
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Trae was in discussion of the top 10 a few years ago.
There's a reason he's in the 40-60 range now. He has been exposed.
People got hyped b/c of one miracle run, and then reality has set in hard the past couple of years.
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Trae is already a top 25 player,
No.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 11:30 am to mhasen1
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Trading Ingram and picks for Trae Young is a no brainer.
We should only be giving up Ingram at the most, and getting picks back is probably justified (but unlikely).
Giving up BI + picks for Trae is insanity.
quote:
Griffin is going to have to earn his money when Atlanta demands Herb and Capella be involved in the deal.
Not a hard no, but a hard frick no.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 11:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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Top-25 is his ceiling. He's closer to 40-60 (and trending downward )
Then what's BI's ceiling? Top 60 and trending down? Ceiling top 50?
Everything negative you're saying about Trae is even worse with BI, maybe minus some of the lockerroom stuff. Then again, BI isn't perfect with that.
Got Stan fired. Pouts over point Zion. Got into it with Willie. Plays like a bitch when he doesn't get his way, etc.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 11:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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Giving up BI + picks for Trae is insanity.
I’m really not understanding the value you put on BI. I think universally most basketball people will say Trae is a better basketball player than BI.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 11:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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There's a reason he's in the 40-60 range now. He has been exposed.
Over 25 pts and nearly 10 assists the last 5 years. So hes been exposed?? Lol come on man.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 11:59 am to ghost2most
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Then what's BI's ceiling?
Similar.
Again, I have posted this before, but the Ringer has BI ahead in both player rankings and trade value rankings. This is not some Pel homerism.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:03 pm to Pels_Yaz
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I’m really not understanding the value you put on BI.
It's more about Trae
But, as for BI, 25/5/5 guys with good shooting and 3-level scoring are rare. Even more rare is if they can playmake.
He has flaws, but he's a legit dude.
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I think universally most basketball people will say Trae is a better basketball player than BI
I imagine barbershops will argue Trae is better and more analytical-based people will say BI is better. They're both in the same tier with the same ceiling tier, though. BI has a much higher floor, though. BI can be competent in any system and still be efficient. Trae cannot. Trae also has much worse defense and lacks the physical ability to be a mediocre defender (too short, short arms, and no strength)
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We should only be giving up Ingram at the most, and getting picks back is probably justified (but unlikely). Giving up BI + picks for Trae is insanity.
I’m fine with giving up BI and our first this year or one next year since we have two. But none of our young guys. I’d have to think long and hard if they want just BI and Hawkins tho.,
This post was edited on 5/21/24 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Again, I have posted this before, but the Ringer has BI ahead in both player rankings and trade value rankings. This is not some Pel homerism.
It is pels homerism. Those rankings were posted before BI returned and shite the bed the last regular season games and playoffs.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:06 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Over 25 pts and nearly 10 assists the last 5 years.
As a ball dominant chucker who has refused to play within Snyder's system and is historically bad on defense.
If the league keeps cracking down on BS FTA, it's going to affect his counting stats bigly.
ATL has tried multiple versions of the team to build around Trae, after their miracle run, and all have failed. Now they're blowing it up. They've tried to surround him with defensive wings and bigs...didn't work. They tried to get a primary ballhandler to let him work more off ball...he refused, and it didn't work. They hired an elite coach with a great offense, he refused, and it didn't work.
I don't know why we think things will be different in Nola.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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But, as for BI, 25/5/5 guys with good shooting and 3-level scoring are rare.
BI has never avg 25 points in his career- was close in 22-23. 3 level scoring? I guess you forgot hes allergic to shooting 3s. You’re making up stuff on Ingram thats just not true.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:07 pm to Townedrunkard
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I’m fine with giving up BI and our first this year
Since we know it's borderline worthless, fine. You're right, this year's 1 is fine.
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