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re: The Official NBA Free Agency/Offseason Thread Update: MITCHELL TO CLE
Posted on 9/8/22 at 10:05 am to shel311
Posted on 9/8/22 at 10:05 am to shel311
I thought I saw reports early summer that Hayes had put on some muscle and was really focused. I couldn't see it in recent pics I've seen, but I was hopeful that it was still happening.
There really is no reason for him not to be an impactful rotation player. He is a good athlete with great size. The flirtation as a PF set him back in my eyes. It was a gimmick and shifted him away from what should have been his focus..
There really is no reason for him not to be an impactful rotation player. He is a good athlete with great size. The flirtation as a PF set him back in my eyes. It was a gimmick and shifted him away from what should have been his focus..
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Posted on 9/8/22 at 10:12 am to brmark70816
quote:The reason is he doesn't have much of a spot in the rotation.
There really is no reason for him not to be an impactful rotation player.
quote:Which is what, center? Jval and Nance will be playing 40+ minutes total at center, where does Jax get minutes?
The flirtation as a PF set him back in my eyes. It was a gimmick and shifted him away from what should have been his focus..
PF ain't it either. Zion/Nance/Trey will be getting the bulk of those minutes as well.
It'll take injuries for Jax to get any meaningful minutes this season IMO.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 10:55 am to shel311
Agreed to a point.
If he is getting minutes, we are either spotlighting him for a trade or someone got hurt and we are slapping a piece in to cover an absence.
We need to decide if we want to keep him or if we want to flip him to fill another hole in our lineup such as grabbing a vet to serve as a leader.
If he is getting minutes, we are either spotlighting him for a trade or someone got hurt and we are slapping a piece in to cover an absence.
We need to decide if we want to keep him or if we want to flip him to fill another hole in our lineup such as grabbing a vet to serve as a leader.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 12:27 pm to teke184
Hayes has the ability and displayed the ability to take over stretches.
I’d like another 6 months of Hayes as the back PF.
Specifically, I want to see Hayes in 2nd quarter/early 4th quarter minutes where he’s fresh and capable of doing enough to really kill other teams chances of coming back after our starters blow teams out of the water.
I say this as a guy who disliked Hayes more than marky mark irrationally hates Ingram.
I’d like another 6 months of Hayes as the back PF.
Specifically, I want to see Hayes in 2nd quarter/early 4th quarter minutes where he’s fresh and capable of doing enough to really kill other teams chances of coming back after our starters blow teams out of the water.
I say this as a guy who disliked Hayes more than marky mark irrationally hates Ingram.
This post was edited on 9/8/22 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 9/8/22 at 12:31 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
quote:Problem is we are a team looking to compete. Wins are valuable. I don't know that we should be tinkering with the lineup to see what a dude has in year 4 at the expense of potential wins and seeding.
Hayes has the ability and displayed the ability to take over stretches.
I’d like another 6 months of Hayes as the back PF.
Specifically, I want to see Hayes in 2nd quarter/early 4th quarter minutes where he’s fresh and capable of doing enough to really kill other teams chances of coming back after our starters blow teams out of the water.
On top of that, Hayes at the backup 4 means you're taking away minutes from Nance and Trey Murphy.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 12:39 pm to shel311
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Problem is we are a team looking to compete. Wins are valuable. I don't know that we should be tinkering with the lineup to see what a dude has in year 4 at the expense of potential wins and seeding. On top of that, Hayes at the backup 4 means you're taking away minutes from Nance and Trey Murphy.
I think we are contending, not just competing. Semantics, I suppose.
I see Murphy’s development ideally being a secondary ball handling wing. Ingram-esque,
Nance I see as the backup 5.
The team is full of Swiss Army knives with multiple lineups that can give teams fits.
Hayes can take a lot of pressure off of Val and Nance by being the weak side defender who can switch and close out, guard bigger guys.
Considering Nancy’s injury problems,too.
Bottom line, I think Hayes can help us win basketball games in the regular season, and he had great impact in the post season. Will Hayes be 5% better this year? If so is he part of the core?
Posted on 9/8/22 at 12:43 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
quote:He's made a play here and there but in 3 years, he's yet to show this as an ability.
Hayes can take a lot of pressure off of Val and Nance by being the weak side defender who can switch and close out, guard bigger guys.
quote:I don't think so. We're coming up on the luxury tax, and $10mil or more on Hayes isn't something we should be focused on IMO.
Bottom line, I think Hayes can help us win basketball games in the regular season, and he had great impact in the post season. Will Hayes be 5% better this year? If so is he part of the core?
Posted on 9/8/22 at 12:51 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
My big concerns are his perceived trade value, his perceived new contract (QO starts at $9m), and our cap situation.
If a cheaper equivalent player comes along who can be the backup 4 or has long term potential for the 5, I’d say dump him.
Demanding he be kept because of the trade down from 4 to 10 and 17 is a sink cost fallacy. We’ve lost that value already so we have to see what he brings to the table going forward and I don’t see it outweighing the possible luxury tax costs. And we need roster spots anyway because we will inevitably need some for 2 way guys or to fill holes due to injury.
If a cheaper equivalent player comes along who can be the backup 4 or has long term potential for the 5, I’d say dump him.
Demanding he be kept because of the trade down from 4 to 10 and 17 is a sink cost fallacy. We’ve lost that value already so we have to see what he brings to the table going forward and I don’t see it outweighing the possible luxury tax costs. And we need roster spots anyway because we will inevitably need some for 2 way guys or to fill holes due to injury.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 1:12 pm to teke184
We haven't heard about extensions for CJ or Larry Nance Jr. yet not to mention a deal for EJ Liddell. It just feels like so much nothing happening means they are waiting/hoping for something else to happen first. Maybe they don't extend Nance if they think they might end up paying Jaxson a similar amount. I personally don't think Jax will improve quickly enough to justify being on the roster for $10ish per year, but he does seem to be putting in the work this summer.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 1:59 pm to shel311
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Which is what, center? Jval and Nance will be playing 40+ minutes total at center, where does Jax get minutes?
He should be the backup Center and breathing down Vals neck for the starting spot. That was the projection when he was drafted and how he was being developed. He just never stayed on track.
I know many think it's cute for a 7 footer to shoot 3s. But I want them to bang and protect the paint. Hayes is legit one of the top 5 most gifted players on the team. He wants to be Giannis. He should be aspiring to be Portis..
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:12 pm to brmark70816
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I know many think it's cute for a 7 footer to shoot 3s...
“I don’t understand the modern the nba”
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:17 pm to brmark70816
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I know many think it's cute for a 7 footer to shoot 3s. But I want them to bang and protect the paint. Hayes is legit one of the top 5 most gifted players on the team. He wants to be Giannis.
I'm not sure he wants to be Giannis as much as he's not physical enough to be a center. Which really is puzzling considering his football background and he doesn't seem to shy away from contact. But asking him to box someone out just doesn't compute for some reason.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:19 pm to brmark70816
quote:Are we not trying to win and contend this season?
He should be the backup Center and breathing down Vals neck for the starting spot.
You don't just give a guy minutes "just cause." Those minutes are earned. Jax has done nothing to earn "breathing down Vals neck for the starting spot" and he hasn't even done anything to earn minutes over Nance.
quote:Yea, that's why it's changed 3 years later. Again, you seem to want to darn near give him Val's starting solely because we drafted him high 3 years ago. That ain't how it works.
That was the projection when he was drafted and how he was being developed. He just never stayed on track.
quote:Little secret, Jax hasn't done that for 3 years now. He's not that guy.
I know many think it's cute for a 7 footer to shoot 3s. But I want them to bang and protect the paint.
This post was edited on 9/8/22 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:25 pm to TigerinATL
Big year for him to prove that he can be a credible threat as a spacer and rebounder. Too many quality players at the positions that he can play in for Green to sit there and wait for his game to translate.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:51 pm to shel311
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Little secret, Jax hasn't done that for 3 years now. He's not that guy.
Yeah. He was never projected to be. We drafted a guy to bang in the post and make 70% of his shots in the restricted area.
What kind of simpleton would want anyone clogging the paint for Zion?
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:56 pm to shel311
I am saying where he should be right now, not where he actually is at. There is no way he could challenge Val right now. But he should be. He has that much talent.
It is a balancing act. You have to try to win. But you also have to develop your young talent. Hayes, Lewis and Murphy aren't getting better without playing. You have to take some lumps and let them fail at times.
Hayes is almost 2 years younger than Herb Jones and he was late to the sport. He just turned 22 and this would be his rookie year had he stayed in college. His story hasn't been written yet..
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Are we not trying to win and contend this season?
It is a balancing act. You have to try to win. But you also have to develop your young talent. Hayes, Lewis and Murphy aren't getting better without playing. You have to take some lumps and let them fail at times.
quote:
Little secret, Jax hasn't done that for 3 years now. He's not that guy.
Hayes is almost 2 years younger than Herb Jones and he was late to the sport. He just turned 22 and this would be his rookie year had he stayed in college. His story hasn't been written yet..
Posted on 9/8/22 at 3:03 pm to shel311
quote:
take injuries for Jax to get any meaningful minutes this season IMO.
I sure hope so.
he's still a year away from being a year away.
nance is better.
tm3 has a brighter future.
reality check. the o/u of pels is 44.5.
that's a play in team.
45 might get 7.
44 might get 8.
6th was 48 last year.
every game W matters.
if I'm coach I only play hayes in garbage time or if someone is injured.
its a huge deal to get 6th.
you get some rest days and then
you get a full series vs #3 instead of survival mode on the road maybe vs another team needing one win to move on and then ugh, a road series vs #2 or #1.
6 game series v suns was fun but cp3 did not miss a shot in g6.
avoid the 1 and 2 as long as possible.
memphis was #2 but had 2 injured starters including morant in 3rd quarter of g4. and without him memphis absolutely crushed gsw in g5. (reminding everyone they went 10-0 without him.) nevertheless they lost g6 with bane disk bulging was not stellar and morant out in street clothes injured.
get 6th. bench hayes. he's a net negative.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 2:13 pm to CelticDog
quote:
memphis was #2 but had 2 injured starters including morant in 3rd quarter of g4. and without him memphis absolutely crushed gsw in g5. (reminding everyone they went 10-0 without him.) nevertheless they lost g6 with bane disk bulging was not stellar and morant out in street clothes injured. get 6th. bench hayes. he's a net negative.
We win the season this year, currently constructed. JJJ is becoming injury prone (currently rehabbing) …he’s their most important player.
Hayes has the ability to dominate second units for short stretches.
Again I was as big of a Anti Hayes guy on here but as spark plug bench guy he raises the ceiling.
His ejection in the playoffs turned the game. He’s valuable and he’s Zion insurance, as far as impact in the front court.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 2:36 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
quote:He played 10 minutes and was -5. We were +2 with him off the court.
His ejection in the playoffs turned the game.
In 6 playoff games, he had a positive +/- once, with a team worse -28.
If we played him less and Trey Murphy more, we legit could have won that series. Murphy was +26. He had 2 games with a negative +/-, both were -1.
quote:Sure, but he's the 3rd best player as insurance for Zion behind Trey Murphy and Nance.
He’s valuable and he’s Zion insurance, as far as impact in the front court.
This post was edited on 9/9/22 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 9/10/22 at 1:59 pm to shel311
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Utah Jazz forward Bojan Bogdanovic is garnering plenty of interest from other NBA teams, with a new report indicating that the Toronto Raptors and New Orleans Pelicans are also interested in acquiring him.
Bleacher Report’s Jake Fischer noted the interest of the Raptors and Pelicans during his “Please Don’t Aggregate This” podcast. The Los Angeles Lakers and Phoenix Suns were previously linked to Bogdanovic.
LINK
Reuniting Jax and NAW to run wild in Utah probably isn't a terrible show for fans while you tank.
This post was edited on 9/10/22 at 2:08 pm
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