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Posted on 10/5/11 at 11:10 am to ralsu
Chris broussard is going to be homeless too if no NBA season.
Posted on 10/5/11 at 7:41 pm to ralsu
Sounds to me like the Agents want to control what the players do so they can get a bigger cut of what ever they make once the new deal is struck... and also that they prolly think they can make more money if the players dont play this year.... Cause agents get paid even if players dont
Posted on 10/5/11 at 8:55 pm to slutiger5
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Chris broussard is going to be homeless too if no NBA season.
I really hope this happens
Posted on 10/5/11 at 10:23 pm to ralsu
The owners hold the cards in this contest. In the end, the players have to crater.
Posted on 10/5/11 at 10:27 pm to ralsu
The owners are the problem, not the players. The owners agreed to a guaranteed 57% BRI split. More money, less money the players always get 57%.
The owners' non basketball spending has grown exponentially and they want the players to pay for it.
The owners' non basketball spending has grown exponentially and they want the players to pay for it.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 8:26 am to VOR
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The owners hold the cards in this contest.
this all depends on how many european teams can absorb NBA players. and i don't mean the stars, i mean the mid/low level guys
Posted on 10/6/11 at 8:29 am to corndeaux
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The owners are the problem, not the players. The owners agreed to a guaranteed 57% BRI split. More money, less money the players always get 57%.
The owners' non basketball spending has grown exponentially and they want the players to pay for it.
Huh? The owners didn't just arbitrarily choose 57%. I'm really not quite sure what point you're trying to make here. It seems to be all over the place. As for the non-BRI, I don't see players shelling out a percentage of their endorsement deals to their teams. Non-BRI is a cost of doing business. That business benefits the players directly. The problem with the agents is that they are more concerned with making sure the superstars get rich rather than role players.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 8:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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this all depends on how many european teams can absorb NBA players. and i don't mean the stars, i mean the mid/low level guys
They're not going to absorb many unless they are ready to blow up their leagues and start over when the NBA returns.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 9:28 am to ralsu
i know little about unions and business but im starting to tear up. even i see this ending in disaster.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 9:31 am to Jester
They didn't choose 57%? They agreed to it in the last labor deal. And when they made the deal, everyone hailed it as a win for the owners.
As for non basketball spending, nobody forces owners to spend beyond their means and no one promises a yearly profit on a franchise. How much of that "lost" money is due to accounting practices?
Endorsement deal percentage for owners? Ha. Are you Robert Sarver?
Do you hate the players b/c they're black or b/c they're labor?
As for non basketball spending, nobody forces owners to spend beyond their means and no one promises a yearly profit on a franchise. How much of that "lost" money is due to accounting practices?
Endorsement deal percentage for owners? Ha. Are you Robert Sarver?
Do you hate the players b/c they're black or b/c they're labor?
Posted on 10/6/11 at 9:53 am to corndeaux
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They didn't choose 57%? They agreed to it in the last labor deal. And when they made the deal, everyone hailed it as a win for the owners.
Okay, are you going to try to imply that market conditions have not changed since that agreement was made?
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As for non basketball spending, nobody forces owners to spend beyond their means and no one promises a yearly profit on a franchise. How much of that "lost" money is due to accounting practices?
So, when a team goes over the cap to sign a player and pays a luxury tax directly related to the players making more money, the players should not be affected? If a owner spends a bunch of money to market the team and brings in new fans, the BRI goes up from added ticket sales, but the cost of increasing those sales is not factored. It is not a balanced way to look at the situation.
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Endorsement deal percentage for owners? Ha. Are you Robert Sarver?
Well, it's basketball related income. I don't actually believe it, but that is where the argument leads.
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Do you hate the players b/c they're black or b/c they're labor?
Who said I hate the players? I think they are being greedy. That is my opinion. You have yours. I hate you because you're black.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 10:15 am to Jester
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Okay, are you going to try to imply that market conditions have not changed since that agreement was made?
Nope. They have and the players have been willing to compromise on that number. The owners want it even further, so they can guarantee profits for themselves. How is that not greedy?
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So, when a team goes over the cap to sign a player and pays a luxury tax directly related to the players making more money, the players should not be affected?
No one forced the Hawks to sing Joe Johnson to the most ridiculous contract in the NBA. If the owners are dumb enough to hand out stupid contracts, should the players say "No. I'm not worth that?"
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If a owner spends a bunch of money to market the team and brings in new fans, the BRI goes up from added ticket sales, but the cost of increasing those sales is not factored. It is not a balanced way to look at the situation.
If you can prove all the non BRI expenses, which have outpaced league revenue growth, are reinvested into the team, then you have a point. Accounting "losses" are bs. If you don't think there are some McCourt type owners in the NBA, then you are fooling yourself.
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Well, it's basketball related income. I don't actually believe it, but that is where the argument leads.
Kobe/LeBron are so good that they make whatever team they play on relevant and profitable. Since they are generating BRI for his team's brand, shouldn't he get a piece of that pie? Fans pay to see great players, not a halftime shows.
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Who said I hate the players? I think they are being greedy. That is my opinion. You have yours. I hate you because you're black.
Racist.
I'm not black. I just have trouble putting the blame on greedy players when the owners, who locked out the players, are just as, if not more so, greedy.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 12:31 pm to corndeaux
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The owners want it even further, so they can guarantee profits for themselves. How is that not greedy?
The players and agents are the only people guaranteed profits. This is not hard to understand. If the economy tanks and sales fall off, the worst thing that happens is a player's "profit" falls from $15M to $14M. No player in the history of the NBA has ever payed the league to play.
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No one forced the Hawks to sing Joe Johnson to the most ridiculous contract in the NBA. If the owners are dumb enough to hand out stupid contracts, should the players say "No. I'm not worth that?"
But Joe Johnson can then leverage his Bird Rights against the team. The players do that crap every year. Sure, the Hawks signed a bad contract. The new CBA should protect them from those types of contracts by tightening up the rules on signings, as expected. Teams like the Heat and Knicks won't be able to drive up the price for Joe Johnson so carelessly.
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If you can prove all the non BRI expenses, which have outpaced league revenue growth, are reinvested into the team, then you have a point. Accounting "losses" are bs. If you don't think there are some McCourt type owners in the NBA, then you are fooling yourself.
You're preaching to the choir. In fact, most serious Hornets fans recognize that George Shinn WAS the NBA's McCourt. However, some of those expenses ARE legitimate investments into the team. If you are going to argue that you can't do it because of the chance of accounting fraud, you shouldln't peg to any income, because they could cook the books on BRI, too.
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Kobe/LeBron are so good that they make whatever team they play on relevant and profitable. Since they are generating BRI for his team's brand, shouldn't he get a piece of that pie? Fans pay to see great players, not a halftime shows.
Are you really going to argue that Kobe and Lebron are underpaid? Really? The problem is that the union is supposed to be looking out for the Aaron Grays instead of the Kobe Bryants. Sure fans pay to see the stars, but there is also a point of diminishing returns on paying stars. When you outprice ticket buyers to pay a star, you have reached that point. You are starting to see just that in the NBA. Aside from a couple teams that have the liquidity and market to absorb huge contracts like that, teams are getting to a breaking point.
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Racist. I'm not black.
You're the dumbass that implied I was racist. Again you seemed to miss the mocking nature of that comment. I was mocking you.
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I just have trouble putting the blame on greedy players when the owners, who locked out the players, are just as, if not more so, greedy.
It's the way of the world and the sooner you understand it, the happier you will be. The ones with the money hold the power. You have players saying they're going to start their own league. Yeah, right. Right after they find about $10B in free and flexible capital to invest in a business model with limited returns.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 5:04 pm to Jester
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This is not hard to understand. If the economy tanks and sales fall off, the worst thing that happens is a player's "profit" falls from $15M to $14M
You're right. It's not hard to understand. The NBA had record revenue and ratings last year. Poor economy didn't hurt at all.
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The new CBA should protect them from those types of contracts
So the CBA must save owners from overpaying Joe Johnson, Rashard Lewis, Darko Milicic, Drew Gooden, Dan Gadzuric, Richard Jefferson and Hedo Turkoglu. You can't legislate stupid.
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However, some of those expenses ARE legitimate investments into the team. If you are going to argue that you can't do it because of the chance of accounting fraud, you shouldln't peg to any income, because they could cook the books on BRI, too.
I never said they weren't all fraud. If we agree that some of those losses may be bs, then the NBA's major grievance loses it's legs.
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Are you really going to argue that Kobe and Lebron are underpaid? Really? The problem is that the union is supposed to be looking out for the Aaron Grays instead of the Kobe Bryants
NBA stars, top 5-10 players, are underpaid. Top baseball players make $25-$30 million. Top football players are around $20 million. Considering the impact on the court star players are worth more than they get. The problem the owners have is overpaying chumps. The mid level exception is a plague on salary caps throughout the league (see Posey, James). Guys like Iguodala and Deng are good players, but not $12 million when CP is at $15.
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When you outprice ticket buyers to pay a star, you have reached that point. You are starting to see just that in the NBA. Aside from a couple teams that have the liquidity and market to absorb huge contracts like that, teams are getting to a breaking point.
Big markets do have an inherent advantage in terms of tv contracts and endorsements, but this just not true. Ticket prices are based on demand. When teams are awful, no one goes to the games and the team can't generate revenue. When the team is good, people show up.
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You're the dumbass that implied I was racist. Again you seemed to miss the mocking nature of that comment. I was mocking you
U mad? You seemed to miss that I was laughing at your comment. Perhaps you don't understand that laughter follow jokes quote:
It's the way of the world and the sooner you understand it, the happier you will be.
Thanks for the advice, dad. Because the owners are richer than the players, the players should do whatever the owners tell them and not fight for their own rights. Got it.
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Posted on 10/6/11 at 5:17 pm to corndeaux
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If we agree that some of those losses may be bs, then the NBA's major grievance loses it's legs
Faulty argument. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. We could also agree that those losses may all be legit. Does that mean the players are wrong?
Posted on 10/6/11 at 5:18 pm to corndeaux
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So the CBA must save owners from overpaying Joe Johnson, Rashard Lewis, Darko Milicic, Drew Gooden, Dan Gadzuric, Richard Jefferson and Hedo Turkoglu.
Yes, although I think the key to this is shorter contracts like the NFL. That way mistakes hurt but can be overcome before your franchise becomes mired in losing.
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I never said they weren't all fraud. If we agree that some of those losses may be bs, then the NBA's major grievance loses it's legs.
I don't think they are BS. The interest expense seems to be the main amount in dispute. The players can't point to franchise value as if it's owner profit and then turn around and complain that owners have to finance franchise purchases now that they cost $300 million instead of $30 million. That seems like a legit expense, not many potential owners will show up with $300 - $400 million in cash.
The league does want to take things like naming rights off the table and in some cases that may be contractually required, but if it's a deal like the Saints getting all the Mercedes money, that should be included in league revenue.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 5:19 pm to corndeaux
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NBA stars, top 5-10 players, are underpaid. Top baseball players make $25-$30 million. Top football players are around $20 million. Considering the impact on the court star players are worth more than they get. The problem the owners have is overpaying chumps. The mid level exception is a plague on salary caps throughout the league (see Posey, James). Guys like Iguodala and Deng are good players, but not $12 million when CP is at $15.
I agree with the last part of it, but totally disagree with the first part. Baseball players play over twice as many games and it extends through the majority of the year. NFL players put themselves in a lot more danger and suffer a lot more injuries. I'm not going to look it up, but I'm pretty sure both of those leagues make considerably more money than the NBA.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 5:23 pm to corndeaux
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U mad? You seemed to miss that I was laughing at your comment. Perhaps you don't understand that laughter follow jokes
Keep telling yourself that. The chronology speaks for itself.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 5:25 pm to corndeaux
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Because the owners are richer than the players, the players should do whatever the owners tell them and not fight for their own rights. Got it.
Fair enough, now go to your boss and tell him that he owes you a raise. Fight for your rights. I'm sorry, but they are fighting for money, not rights. That's Sprewellian.
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