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Posted on 11/21/20 at 1:56 am to Soggymoss
A lot of confusion right now on how the salaries will match. Unfortunately, it doesn’t look like we’ll get anymore info tonight.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 1:57 am to Soggymoss
Is there a way where the Thunder can take on some of Adams salary? That would make more sense for the Pels to be giving up a pick. Can you do that in the NBA?
Posted on 11/21/20 at 1:58 am to lovepurplelivegold14
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Bro offense is not Zion's problem. He is gonna get his bro. What we needed is a damn interior defender because people were doing layup lines against the Pels. Favors didn't stop Zion from scoring bro why would Adams. Now if the Pels defense was middle of the pack last year, they win many more games. And my lord why are yall so in love with this first round pick THATS NOT EVEN OURS. Bro we have all our picks, all the lakers picks, and all the bucks picks. Why are yall so in loved with a pick that's lottery protected and probably late in the first round?? Let's get mfs who have been on WINNING TEAMS (Bleadsoe, Hill, JJ, Adams), and let them teach our youngins how to win.
The goal here is a championship, not marginal improvements when our window is years out. That is Demps level thinking
And what Zion ultimately needs is a rim protecting, rebounding, stretch big. Stretch big being of utter importance.
If you can find one then I’m willing to give up quite a lot for that. In the draft as a potential player, via trade, or in FA.
What I am not cool giving up is a bunch of assets and future cap space(assuming we are paying to be first to resign) for players that are amongst the cheapest bargains on the market, which are traditional centers that play around the rim.
You could go get Tristan Thompson tomorrow for a fraction of the cost and 90% of the productivity. Hell, go get Harry Giles at 21 years of age, actually on your timeline, for a fraction for the cost. Go with a vet rotation if need be. Like I said, i hope there is more.
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 2:02 am
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:00 am to whodat24
It wouldn't. However you could get to the salary needed pretty easy with an almost minimum player (around 3-4 million). I don't know who they would send in that scenario though, maybe a S&T of Moore or Frank?
If I were a betting man though I would say Bledsoe is going to OKC, which is why we gave up the 1st for them taking on the extra salary
If I were a betting man though I would say Bledsoe is going to OKC, which is why we gave up the 1st for them taking on the extra salary
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 2:01 am
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:04 am to Soggymoss
I have a feeling Griff is nowhere near done trading. Could see Adams move to a team needing a center and we pick up someone like Baynes
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:06 am to Bronc
The goal is championship, but no feasible move would make this a championship squad next year. You could have gotten most of the production you get a great character guy who is super physical. He's the exact player you'd want to mentor and go up against Jaxson in practice.
I think the idea is that he helps the team be competent this season and see how Hayes develops. Then you can keep him for a reasonable price or clear cap space depending on how things go.
I think the idea is that he helps the team be competent this season and see how Hayes develops. Then you can keep him for a reasonable price or clear cap space depending on how things go.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:09 am to RosyFinchBOYZ
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The goal is championship, but no feasible move would make this a championship squad next year. You could have gotten most of the production you get a great character guy who is super physical. He's the exact player you'd want to mentor and go up against Jaxson in practice.
Coaches and Hayes are going to be the determinant of his future, not some random one year vet.
And no, we will not be a contender next year, so why are we making moves, giving up long term assets, to win this year? To have in our pocket a guy for the next few years when our window is realistically past that?
Like I said, I hope there is more.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:11 am to Bronc
You know Adams is only 27 right? He's in his prime right now.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:15 am to Soggymoss
And he’ll be on the other side when our core is reaching there’s.
So is Hayes the future or not?
Because I hear a lot of talking out both sides here.
If Hayes is our future what are we doing bringing in a guy(who will be on a vet 3rd contract scale) with the expectation of signing him another 2-4 years after next season?
Who will likely be aging out as our window takes shape.
Again, I hope there is more because I see this is a very short term thinking move that people are really reaching to justify.
So is Hayes the future or not?
Because I hear a lot of talking out both sides here.
If Hayes is our future what are we doing bringing in a guy(who will be on a vet 3rd contract scale) with the expectation of signing him another 2-4 years after next season?
Who will likely be aging out as our window takes shape.
Again, I hope there is more because I see this is a very short term thinking move that people are really reaching to justify.
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 2:16 am
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:16 am to Bronc
We essentially gave up the 24th pick this year which has very little value. And Adams is an expiring which means he can be used to match salaries easily in a trade. So Griffin is getting the ability to jump at a trade if it presents itself and has a good locker room leader if it doesn’t. Not bad when we need a center.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:18 am to Bronc
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The goal here is a championship, not marginal improvements.
And what Zion ultimately needs is a rim protecting, rebounding, stretch big. Stretch big being of utter importance.
If you can find one then I’m willing to give up quite a lot for that. In the draft as a potential player, via trade, or in FA.
What I am not cool giving up is a bunch of assets and future cap space(assuming we are paying to be first to resign) for players that are amongst the cheapest bargains on the market, which are traditional centers that play around the rim.
You could go get Tristan Thompson tomorrow for a fraction of the cost and 90% of the productivity. Hell, go get Harry Giles at 21 years of age, actually on your timeline, for a fraction for the cost. Go with a vet rotation if need be. Like I said, i hope there is more.
I think Griff has already shown he really values salary cap flexibility. That's data we can use to formulate some predictions.
I don't think he's envisaging locking up 20-25 mil at centre for a non all-star/all nba type of guy when everyone knows it's a guard and wing driven league. That's just horrible use of resources. Yes we spent some semi decent assets so we want a return on that, I agree. He's not gonna give up a 1st and 2 seconds to a deal he didn't have to do if he's likely to look like a dick head.
Look at the way Griff has operated so far in control of the Pels to extrapolate into the future. And above all;
STAY FUNKY BROS
Also the patience. It's day 1 of Free Agency. This is the fun part.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:18 am to higgsBoson
Again, you can get a competent center for nothing and not give up a first.
All of these rationales border on magical thinking.
He wants Adams, if you think Adams as our starter for the next 3-5 years is ideal, make the case, because if you can’t this isn’t the move you make
All of these rationales border on magical thinking.
He wants Adams, if you think Adams as our starter for the next 3-5 years is ideal, make the case, because if you can’t this isn’t the move you make
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 2:22 am
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:18 am to Bronc
We don't know the exact trade parameters yet, but it seems we basically got Adams for 2 2nd round picks, and the very late 1st we sent is just for OKC taking on salary.
That is a great deal, and gives you a 27 million dollar expiring deal for a 27 year old vet, who at worst is enough to send out in a trade for a max player at the deadline.
That is a great deal, and gives you a 27 million dollar expiring deal for a 27 year old vet, who at worst is enough to send out in a trade for a max player at the deadline.
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 2:20 am
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:19 am to Bronc
I guess they all said screw it and will finish it tomorrow
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:21 am to Soggymoss
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We don't know the exact trade parameters yet, but it seems we basically got Adams for 2 2nd round picks, and the very late 1st we sent is just for OKC taking on salary.
That is a great deal, and gives you a 27 million dollar expiring deal for a 27 year old vet.
A first and 2 seconds for an expiring that isn’t an ideal fit on a rebuilding team is not a great deal, sorry.
Most smart teams charge a premium for taking on that salary, we just paid for the privilege.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:23 am to Bronc
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Again, I hope there is more because I see this is a very short term thinking move that people are really reaching to justify.
Riddle me this:
Has Griff done anything so far with this ball club that seemed like it was a super short term solution or lacked a good deal of foresight? I can't think of too many. So why would he randomly start going rogue in this particular transaction? Odds are he wouldn't. It's gonna be a good outcome
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:24 am to Bronc
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And what Zion ultimately needs
Zion doesn’t need anything offensively. His offense success if not predicated on having a center who can shoot. But If he’s got a steep learning curve defensively and is going to be a marginal rebounder, we certainly need a guy like Adams
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rim protecting, rebounding, stretch big
Lol yeah every team would like an Anthony Davis, too bad only 1 exists
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:25 am to Bronc
It’s lottery protected. 15-30 is a crapshoot pick and it’s in 2023
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:27 am to Bronc
You already have a stretch big sitting on your bench. You do know a rim protecting, rebounding, stretch big ain't growing on a tree. Tristian Thompson is not signing with the Pels when Boston, Clippers, and other contenders need a big. Harry Giles does not fit the Pels. An often injured big, that's young and inexperienced does absolutely nothing for the Pels. Bro what is "a bunch of assets" A first thats not yours and 2 seconds?????? Bro just because they say they may be interested in signing Adams does not mean they will. What's the point of putting young player after young player next to Zion? You're gonna end up like the Kings. The Pels aren't looking for their next franchise guy, THEY GOT EM ALREADY. Ingram and Zion are already on the team. Losing literally does nothing for the Pels. It does not make us better. Stop comparing this to Demps bro, let it go. We have all our picks, we have future cap flexibility. Bro the damn goal is to win games. And this move sets us up to do that now without giving anything up in the future. Baynes nor Thompson was gonna sign a 1 year deal with the Pels. If they signing for one year its with a contender. IN THIS MARKET where you seeing role players signing for a lot, why do you think the PELS of all teams gonna get these players for cheap??? These players are gonna take a small deal to sign with a team not in playoff contention, when teams in playoff contention also need them?? Like come on. The Pels already got a bunch of young players, this is the time to build a culture and teach Zion and Ingram how to win games and lead a team. Like bro you not just gonna stink up for years and then automatically become a contender.
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