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re: Steven Adams to Pelicans in Serious Talks
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:34 am to cgrand
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:34 am to cgrand
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Bledsoe and Adams will show this team how to win basketball games.
these two are a clear upgrade from holiday and favors and griff got paid to do it.
I don't get these Bledsoe takes. You're saying the Bucks paid to downgrade to Jrue. Durant and Lillard have both said Jrue is the best guard defender but Bledsoe is the better player? The bucks had Bledsoe for years and concluded they needed to get better to win more.
I do think Adams is an upgrade.
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Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:35 am to Soggymoss
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And your opinion is dead wrong. Adams is a top 5 center in the NBA, even on a max, a top 5 player at any position is never a negative value.
Come on now, this is getting a little much. He’s a solid blue collar traditional center, probably the best there is, but he is not a top 5 center.
Unless you want to tell me who Adams replaces in this list(in no particular order):
Nikola Jokic
Joel Embiid
Rudy Gobert
Bam Adebayo
Karl Anthony Towns
I’d add, off the top of my head, players I think almost anyone would rank higher:
Domantas Sabonis
Kristaps Porzingas
Nikola Vucevic
Deandre Ayton
Lamarcus Aldridge
Again, he’s a solid blue collar center, not sure I’m seeing him as a top 5 player. Especially if we start adding guys like AD that play the position part time.
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 11:39 am
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:36 am to shel311
I wouldn’t say Adams is a top 5 center. But we don’t need him to be that. The contracts this year to centers have been crazy.
Jokic
KAT
Vucevic
Nurkic
Embiid
Ayton
Turner
Gobert
AD
Porzingis
Adebayo
Jokic
KAT
Vucevic
Nurkic
Embiid
Ayton
Turner
Gobert
AD
Porzingis
Adebayo
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 11:37 am
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:37 am to OrganizedChaos
Bledsoe and Adams combined is better than Jrue and Favors is the point, not each individually.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:37 am to Theblairs02
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People need to realize Adams is a expiring contract. That 27 million literally means nothing unless we re sign him at that much.
How much Adams will be paid next year is so insignificant to this argument that it’s laughable.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:38 am to OrganizedChaos
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You're saying the Bucks paid to downgrade to Jrue.
We'll see whether the Bucks get Evil Jrue or regular Jrue in the playoffs, but based on Jrue's play here I'd say there's a decent chance that the Bucks paid a lot for what is potentially a fairly lateral move. What they had wasn't working, they were desperate for change, and Jrue was the best change they could find.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:38 am to shel311
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What? Gobert is clearly much better than Adams, what are we doing here.
Thats arguable. Gobert greater on defense, Adams on offense (team based).
quote:
KAT
He can hit a 3, that's it. Nothing else he does is better than Adams.
quote:
Vucevic
See above.
quote:
Ayton
Has proven absolutely nothing in this league yet.Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:40 am to southdowns84
quote:a cheap free agent could give you 75% of the production of Adams but you keep Hill and 3 draft picks.
Someone has to play center for us next year.
None of the picks we gave up will likely play more minutes than our center next year.
quote:What happens in the future has no bearing on what is value is now.
If Adams works out for us this year and sticks on for a reasonable salary, this trade is a win. If he’s Favors 2.0, we haven’t really lost anything in a vacuum
Fwiw, I like the addition, I just can't understand why we had to to give them any picks, much less 3 including a 1st to make it happen.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:42 am to Pelefraan 1
quote:It's an expiring contract.
Adams expires next offseason. He's not an expiring today and won't be one tomorrow
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:43 am to shel311
A cheap free agent gives you 75% of what Adams gives you eh? I’ve heard it all now..
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:43 am to Soggymoss
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Thats arguable. Gobert greater on defense, Adams on offense (team based)....
Has proven absolutely nothing in this league yet.
Posts like this really illustrate to me how some people are way too quick to put their homer glasses on and need to also get outside of the Pels bubble and watch some other basketball.
All of those players would rank higher on any top center list than Adams and you would be laughed out of the room otherwise.
We don’t need to gaslight reality on behalf of Adams to defend him, he’s a solid enough player, but top 5 he is not and if that is your expectation you will be disappointed.
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 11:44 am
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:44 am to Bronc
quote:He's arguably not even a top 10 center.
Come on now, this is getting a little much. He’s a solid blue collar traditional center, probably the best there is, but he is not a top 5 center.
Again, I like him but just pointing out to the dude saying he's top 5 and worth $27mil, that's just way off base.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:48 am to duyp
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Then we can trade him again like how OKC did with CP3. If he doesn’t, we have a 27 million year exception.
What exception you talking about? There is no trade exception unless they trade him right now into someone else's cap space w/o getting a player back. If he leaves next year then it just opens up cap space
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:49 am to Bronc
quote:You will never ever ever ever find Adams on any current top 5 center list, that's obvious.
All of those players would rank higher on any top center list than Adams and you would be laughed out of the room otherwise
You also won't find any non Pels fan try to argue his production is in line with his contract.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:53 am to Soggymoss
quote:
KAT, Vucevic, and Ayton say Hi.
Yea, no one is taking Adams over these three and definitely not Gobert. I’d even throw Drummond in over Adams.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:56 am to shel311
quote:
He's arguably not even a top 10 center.
Again, I like him but just pointing out to the dude saying he's top 5 and worth $27mil, that's just way off base.
Agreed.
Adams is a good center, does what he does well, but maybe you can squeeze him into the top ten if you exclude guys like AD, Jaren Jackson that play the position part time, but I still think it’s tough. I mean I listed ten guys at the top of the page and I don’t think Adams supplants any of them. And I left out guys like Drummond and Capella.
He’s fine, but he falls into the category of big m en that players like Brook Lopez, Myles Turner, Drummond, and Capela fall into, utility guys that have some solid core competencies that you don’t build a roster around but ideally go after based on how they fit with your core guys.You have a downhill around the rim star that can rebound like Giannis, you get a guy like Lopez to stretch the floor and protect the interior.
Unless you are a true top tier talent, I just don’t see the value in giving up assets and cap space for that type of player. Especially when as you rightfully say, Adams is not a positive value contract in this cash strapped market. If not us they likely have to either hold his contract or pay a true tanking team to carry his salary. And to me, he’s not the utility player Zion and Ingram need most.
He’ll be a positive addition no doubt, but I don’t see him as more than a stepping stone
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:59 am to shel311
quote:
a cheap free agent could give you 75% of the production of Adams but you keep Hill and 3 draft picks.
A “cheap” free agent wants a multi year deal, which is much more costly than a guy who’s two weeks away from retiring and a bunch of picks that will never play.
You are complaining about how much value we gave up but your alternative involves us giving up more value for less production.
There’s an argument against this trade. That ain’t it.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:00 pm to shel311
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You will never ever ever ever find Adams on any current top 5 center list, that's obvious.
You also won't find any non Pels fan try to argue his production is in line with his contract.
You are very right about this.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:03 pm to southdowns84
quote:So will Adams. And so will the big we pay next offseason.
A “cheap” free agent wants a multi year deal
quote:Huh? I'm arguing getting less production on a better, not worse value.
You are complaining about how much value we gave up but your alternative involves us giving up more value for less production.
quote:The draft picks, that's the argument. Adams and his contract shouldn't command 3 draft picks, that's the argument, and that is it.
There’s an argument against this trade. That ain’t it.
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