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re: Spacing on this team is terrible.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 2:10 pm to LSU Fan 90812
Posted on 1/5/21 at 2:10 pm to LSU Fan 90812
I’m not against Gallo tbh, injuries and all(currently out at least two weeks for an ankle sprain), but I also don’t really think Atlanta goes for it....Or Griff tbh
Bledsoe is not needed on that team right now with the way the Trae/Reddish/Hunter trio is playing. And they already have Rondo to be that savvy vet to go with a bench of other shooters and vets.
But he is the type of player that would naturally compliment the guys we have. As he can play the 3 and the 4, play in small lineups or big ones, and he has scoring versatility and spacing....BUT he is an old 32 with a body that has never been able to stay healthy. You’d be paying 20 million for a guy that is likely going to miss 20 games a season and need to be load managed probably below 30 minutes.
Bledsoe is not needed on that team right now with the way the Trae/Reddish/Hunter trio is playing. And they already have Rondo to be that savvy vet to go with a bench of other shooters and vets.
But he is the type of player that would naturally compliment the guys we have. As he can play the 3 and the 4, play in small lineups or big ones, and he has scoring versatility and spacing....BUT he is an old 32 with a body that has never been able to stay healthy. You’d be paying 20 million for a guy that is likely going to miss 20 games a season and need to be load managed probably below 30 minutes.
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Posted on 1/5/21 at 2:16 pm to Bronc
That’s where the pick comes in. The trade is as much for Huerter. Huerter gets 30 minutes per game on this team.
We d literally be trading for guys who are 7 and 10 in minutes on the team. Huerter is expendable bc Hunter/Reddish
We d literally be trading for guys who are 7 and 10 in minutes on the team. Huerter is expendable bc Hunter/Reddish
This post was edited on 1/5/21 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 1/5/21 at 2:23 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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In a league that is eschewing traditional 5s, Steven Adams is a backup big, in that he can not play against all starting 5s. His role is becoming situational, like a 3rd down back.
I agree. Almost all bigs are this way. There's only a handful that aren't.
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If you want this team to succeed, you need to understand that mitigating Adams non-shooting, traditional big man tendencies is key to their success. I didn't say trade Adams. You find pieces that make Adams a non-issue.
and i'm saying the same thing.
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Yes it does. It would be having three centers on the roster taking up a lot of space, none of whom can play together in crunch time.
WHo's the 3 centers?
WHy would you ever play centers together?
I told you before, if we are ever competing for a championship, it will be with Zion at the 5. That doesn't mean you still don't need a guy like Steven Adams and a stretch big to be on the team.
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Name one. And if they exist, the Clippers and Lakers are going to sign them before we do.
I already did. Meyers Leonard. Olynyk would suffice as well. Both the Morris brothers. Pat Patterson. Bjelica. Mike Scott. JaMychal Green. Doug McDermott. and there's plenty more on rookie contracts.
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I literally named the best shooting stretch big on a team that doesn't need him. you just don't like his price. Gallo for Bledsoe is literally exactly what this team needs. They cost the same. Bledsoe is an injury prone, non shooting PG who is THIRTY FRIGGIN ONE. Bledsoe is Westbrook-lite. You think Gallo is gonna breakdown before Bledsoe? You think Bledsoe is gonna age well?
I dont understand why you're arguing that. I don't want Bledsoe either. Getting Gallo could'nt be any more similar to resigning Asik. Gallo is simply not worth $20M/yr for 3 more years. It's extremely risky, and we aren't taking those kind of salary risks right now. Bledsoe is the worst contract we have right now, and it's not even bad.
I'd prefer to find a stretch 4/5 in the draft, or really , i'd prefer for Melli to learn how to frickin shoot. What i'd rather find in the draft is a 3/4 SF that can shoot and defend, and we had chances to take them in the last two drafts and did not.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 2:26 pm to LSU Fan 90812
I’m still not sure why they say yes to that?
They’d be giving up two players that are in their rotation and form cohesive depth for one that won’t be.
All Bledsoe does is mostly fight for time with Rondo to be a backup/situational utility guard to let Trae play off the ball...Which Rondo does better anyways
They’d be giving up two players that are in their rotation and form cohesive depth for one that won’t be.
All Bledsoe does is mostly fight for time with Rondo to be a backup/situational utility guard to let Trae play off the ball...Which Rondo does better anyways
Posted on 1/5/21 at 2:28 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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Lonzo has been shooting the ball pretty well, though.
He’s streaky
He shot the ball well last night I think He was 4-6 3pters
Posted on 1/5/21 at 2:30 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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That’s where the pick comes in. The trade is as much for Huerter. Huerter gets 30 minutes per game on this team.
maybe instead of trading the 24th pick for a future 1st for some stupid arse reason that made no fricking sense whatsoever, you trade it for Huerter, or you move up a couple picks and draft Saddiq Bey.
I have no idea why we needed to trade that Milwaukee 24th pick to Denver just to get a future 1st to give to OKC. Just give OKC the Lakers 2022 first and keep the 24th pick for yourself. WHy would you want to roster Thornwell or Hernangomez over a 1st round pick?
Posted on 1/5/21 at 2:30 pm to SammyTiger
Yes he was 4-6 and for some reason didn’t shoot more. It was obvious he was feeling it
Posted on 1/5/21 at 2:31 pm to Bronc
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I’m still not sure why they say yes to that?
They would'nt. If ATL makes a trade, it won't be a small move trade, it will be for an allstar. They have plenty of assets to make it happen, and they need to put another star next to Trae Young.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 2:34 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I'd prefer to find a stretch 4/5 in the draft, or really , i'd prefer for Melli to learn how to frickin shoot. What i'd rather find in the draft is a 3/4 SF that can shoot and defend, and we had chances to take them in the last two drafts and did not.
Yeah it would be really nice to have Hunter or Reddish.
Votes out on Kira right now but I like how he projects, but I do worry about how a season without a full training camp or a lot of space for full on practices, while getting little to no game time, is going to stunt his development.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 2:42 pm to Terrific Tales
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Yes he was 4-6 and for some reason didn’t shoot more. It was obvious he was feeling it
Idk he will have 4 game stretches where he shoots like .450 and then 4 game stretches where he shoots .200 and it all averages out to better than average but the swings are rough:
Posted on 1/5/21 at 2:48 pm to SammyTiger
Yeah that’s what worries me about Lonzo and it turning into a Gordon/Evans situation, just of a different variety, instead of the risk of injuries, just it being a guy like Evans you’ll be paying top of the market for that has so many holes and inconsistencies in his game to fill and isn’t a ideal compliment unless he develops a certain direction, and is maybe pushing back on the natural role he fits into(fast break facilitator, half court spacer and slasher, second or third option facilitator).
Posted on 1/5/21 at 2:56 pm to TeddyPadillac
In short, why would you trade for anyone who can’t play with Adams.
That rules out Olynik and Leonard. Every other player you’re listing is already on a contender that needs them to do exactly what we d need them to do. The Morris brothers? Do you mean the guys currently on the two best teams in the league?
Bjelica, Scott, Patterson are also 32. Bjelica is literally the only spacer on the whole kings roster.
You’re making my argument for me. Is Gallo the best of the stretch 4s? NO.
But he’s the one we could conceivably get while also moving Bledsoe.
Y all are nuts if you don’t think that the hawks are looking at their roster and wondering if there’s any route to Gallo doing anything other than just sitting their bench this season. Bledsoe at least gives them a guard to guard the good PGs so you can hide Trae young on someone else. Dunn is hurt and has never even played in a playoff game. Rondo is ancient. Who guards Kyrie ? Who guards Westbrook and Beal? shite who guards Jrue.
Gallo can’t help them. But he can help us. And he doesn’t have to be the centerpiece of the trade playing time wise. That’s Huerter.
That rules out Olynik and Leonard. Every other player you’re listing is already on a contender that needs them to do exactly what we d need them to do. The Morris brothers? Do you mean the guys currently on the two best teams in the league?
Bjelica, Scott, Patterson are also 32. Bjelica is literally the only spacer on the whole kings roster.
You’re making my argument for me. Is Gallo the best of the stretch 4s? NO.
But he’s the one we could conceivably get while also moving Bledsoe.
Y all are nuts if you don’t think that the hawks are looking at their roster and wondering if there’s any route to Gallo doing anything other than just sitting their bench this season. Bledsoe at least gives them a guard to guard the good PGs so you can hide Trae young on someone else. Dunn is hurt and has never even played in a playoff game. Rondo is ancient. Who guards Kyrie ? Who guards Westbrook and Beal? shite who guards Jrue.
Gallo can’t help them. But he can help us. And he doesn’t have to be the centerpiece of the trade playing time wise. That’s Huerter.
This post was edited on 1/5/21 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 1/5/21 at 3:16 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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Y all are nuts if you don’t think that the hawks are looking at their roster and wondering if there’s any route to Gallo doing anything other than just sitting their bench this season. Bledsoe at least gives them a guard to guard the good PGs so you can hide Trae young on someone else. Dunn is hurt and has never even played in a playoff game. Rondo is ancient.
You have to be willing to play devils advocate to your own desires if you want to make these trade hypotheticals pass the “who says no” test.
I’m sure they are open to moving Galo under the right situation, he’s making 20 million and is once again sidelined with injuries, but is that situation a token first rounder and a guard making about as much as Galo(to go with the 7 million and 5 million you’ve locked up for two years with Rondo and Dunn) that has even less long term viability in terms of fit or role? In another year Trae will be lining up for a mega max rookie extension and you’ll be deep in the luxury paying over 30 million for back up point guards in Bledsoe, Dunn and Rondo. Is Schlenk comfortable with that?
Galo at least also makes sense because of the Collins situation. They’ve failed to come to terms on an extension and may not see him as worthy of the Max he might command. If so you have a pretty solid replacement locked up already on the roster in Galo. A trade for Bledsoe and you are kind of locking yourself into a Collins future. And hey, maybe with his scaled back role and play they think they can get him a bit cheaper and are willing to make the deal, but I think Atlanta would probably want a third team or different asset in return then Bledsoe, it’s just hard to imagine a world where Schlenk plugs Bledsoe into the spreadsheet and says, yep, I’m good having over a quarter of my cap space tied up in declining back up point guards in their 30’s and Dunn, that all combined are likely to play less than 20 minutes a night.
This post was edited on 1/5/21 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 1/5/21 at 3:20 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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In short, why would you trade for anyone who can’t play with Adams.
Why would i want another big playing with Adams and Zion?
this backup big is coming in for Adams, not to play with him. Do we put Hayes out there with Adams?
You asked me to name cheap stretch bigs. I did. Just proves that they are out there, and i didn't even list the ones on rookie deals.
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Who guards Kyrie ?
Dunn, or no one b/c no one is staying in front of him anyway. Dunn won't be hurt forever and he's a great perimeter defender.
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Who guards Westbrook and Beal?
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shite who guards Jrue.
Uh Dunn. They signed him to a 2 year deal, for $10M/yr less than what Bledsoe cost, to do exactly what you want Bledsoe to do for them.
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Gallo can’t help them. But he can help us. And he doesn’t have to be the centerpiece of the trade playing time wise. That’s Huerter.
Look i honestly dont' have a problem with the trade, and if Gallo can stay somewhat healthy, then it's a great trade for us, but it's a big if. It's just risky for us to do. We don't need bad contracts, and that is without a doubt a potential bad contract in the future. I would not be melting over a trade like that, i just don't get why ATL needs to make it. They don't expensive role player help, they need another star. They got Dunn to be a PG defensive helper for cheap, and they brought in Gallo to replace Collins if they can't retain him next year.
This post was edited on 1/5/21 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 1/5/21 at 3:33 pm to TeddyPadillac
I wouldn’t melt but as good as the fit is conditionally(healthy while still not washed up), the guy is an old 32 getting paid 20+ million to play until his 35th birthday. The more I’m talking the more I’m talking myself out of it.
That’s a timebomb and honesty would just rather draft a guy in the mid to late first that we can have work with Vinson and develop in the direction we need him to play.
Rushing to win now with a core of early 20’s players, chasing guys on more expensive second and third contracts instead of steadily drafting and developing cost controlled talent, is what got us in trouble last time. When the argument came up about the Denver trade, I looked it up and if you give players a 3 year development window(which typically the guys later in the draft take longer to develop) the hit rate for guys taken 18-30 is about 40-50%. In terms of players that turn into meaningful rotational players or better. And we look to have a lot of those sorts of picks going forward. We should be able to find at least 1 or 2 Saddiq Bay’s, Anunoby, Malik Beasley, Lavert, Siakam, Huerter, Murray, or Harrell’s. All guys found in that range in past drafts.
If we can’t, or can’t bundle them for the correct star(s), heads should roll. There really is not an excuse for this team not to be disgustingly deep or have a Beal tier third star within the next two seasons.
That’s a timebomb and honesty would just rather draft a guy in the mid to late first that we can have work with Vinson and develop in the direction we need him to play.
Rushing to win now with a core of early 20’s players, chasing guys on more expensive second and third contracts instead of steadily drafting and developing cost controlled talent, is what got us in trouble last time. When the argument came up about the Denver trade, I looked it up and if you give players a 3 year development window(which typically the guys later in the draft take longer to develop) the hit rate for guys taken 18-30 is about 40-50%. In terms of players that turn into meaningful rotational players or better. And we look to have a lot of those sorts of picks going forward. We should be able to find at least 1 or 2 Saddiq Bay’s, Anunoby, Malik Beasley, Lavert, Siakam, Huerter, Murray, or Harrell’s. All guys found in that range in past drafts.
If we can’t, or can’t bundle them for the correct star(s), heads should roll. There really is not an excuse for this team not to be disgustingly deep or have a Beal tier third star within the next two seasons.
This post was edited on 1/5/21 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 1/5/21 at 3:58 pm to Bronc
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When the argument came up about the Denver trade, I looked it up and if you give players a 3 year development window(which typically the guys later in the draft take longer to develop) the hit rate for guys taken 18-30 is about 40-50%. In terms of players that turn into meaningful rotational players or better. And we look to have a lot of those sorts of picks going forward. We should be able to find at least 1 or 2 Saddiq Bay’s, Anunoby, Malik Beasley, Lavert, Siakam, Huerter, Murray, or Harrell’s. All guys found in that range in past drafts.
If we can’t, or can’t bundle them for the correct star(s), heads should roll. There really is not an excuse for this team not to be disgustingly deep or have a Beal tier third star within the next two seasons.
Well, we have to actually make picks, and we have to actually play the picks if we want them to develop.
I pointed it out earlier, what's the point of Thornwell and Hernangomez on this roster? Wouldn't it be better if we had drafted at least 1 other guy, like Desmond Bane? We had 3 picks after Kira and we made zero picks.
Thornwell has zero potential on this team. Could have drafted Jordan Nwora instead. Maybe he ends up as good as Thornwell, or worst, or maybe he ends up being worth a shite. If you never take chances in the draft, how the hell are you ever supposed to hit on someone? We amassed all these picks and i think all we really want to do is trade them away eventually, when we should be investing in better scouting and making picks. You don't have to make all of them, but there's no reason to not have at least 2 rookies on the team every year, not including two way players. Bringing in minimum contract players that don't actually ever play is completely worthless in every way possible.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 4:00 pm to Split2874
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Another thing that hurts the spacing is Zion going left. Right now he uses the spin move from the right side and he puts himself into the defense. If he can go right less traffic and a possible rebound from the weak side
That was Daniels analysis last night. Adams was spaced out pretty good to the left of the paint, and Zion had the ball just to the right. He then drives towards Adams and they were able to collapse on him. If he goes right it stays 1 on 1, most likely.
Not blaming Zion for that, this is a new rotation. But the spacing isn't ideal, but it doesn't mean it can't work.
You could argue them double and triple teaming him last night benefited us with how much foul trouble in got them in with someone hacking at him.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 4:02 pm to TeddyPadillac
I can't remember what happened with our late 1st round pick, but there was a super amount of value in this draft into the low 30s
Posted on 1/5/21 at 4:05 pm to Pelefraan 1
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I can't remember what happened with our late 1st round pick
You mean the #24 from Milwaukee from the Jrue trade? The Pels traded that to Denver for a 2023 1st which is the first they sent to OKC for Adams.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 4:06 pm to TigerinATL
Ok, well I can't fault that trade
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