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Fun Bunch
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Sometimes a GMs hand is forced.
They may want to keep a coach. They may have every intention of keeping him all year and weathering the storm.

But sometimes egregious play forces the GM’s hand.

Sometimes a team tunes the coach out. A season is lost or in danger of being lost.

Sometimes you’ve lost 7 straight, losing the latest by 40 plus, and have been blown out several times.

Sometimes it just can’t continue.


supe12sta12z
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re: Sometimes a GMs hand is forced.
I don’t think his hands will be forced unless Gentry does something crazy or if the team flat out says they don’t want him there anymore.
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Dayman
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re: Sometimes a GMs hand is forced.
They just lost by 50


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re: Sometimes a GMs hand is forced.
This ain’t New York. We won’t make those type of moves early on in season because of losing.


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Fun Bunch
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re: Sometimes a GMs hand is forced.
If you feel the season is going to be lost and you don’t want the stink of terrible on your rookies you have to make a change.


TigerinATL
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re: Sometimes a GMs hand is forced.
Sometimes you’re happy to wake up from a nap and realize you missed the game.


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50_Tiger
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re: Sometimes a GMs hand is forced.
Zion might go pick up some pizzas tonight to stay away from the floor after tonight lol


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NorthshoreTiger76
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re: Sometimes a GMs hand is forced.
Hit them in the pocketbook They will make a change


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CP3forMVP
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re: Sometimes a GMs hand is forced.
I remember McNamara talking about how the play was for Gentry to coach this season, then move into an advisory role next season and at that point this should be one of the most sought after jobs. That’s all fine and ok, but at some point the bleeding has to stop. If Chris Finch is viewed as big of an up and comer as we are told, let him run the show for the rest of the season.


TigerinATL
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re: Sometimes a GMs hand is forced.
I'm seeing rumblings from people that are normally not in line for Torches and Pitchforks:

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Scott Kushner @ScottDKushner 1h

It’s one thing to be losing games as a young team.

It’s another to be getting into terrible habits and seeing no accountabilty as those mistakes repeat themselves.

This is far worse than David Griffin could have ever imagined.

I genuinely never thought there was a chance Alvin Gentry wouldn’t make it through the season, but how can you at least not see the merits at this point?

I don’t think it will fix much, if anything.

But it’s impossible to watch this every night and not sense it devolving.


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Shamit Dua @FearTheBrown 1h

My barometer of when to move on from a coach is rarely results, but often when a team begins to tune them out.

Yes often times that is the product of the team itself, but if you can no longer get through to players, it is time.

I think the Pels are close if not there.


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re: Sometimes a GMs hand is forced.
I dunno how anyone can explain away a 50 point loss. It's staggering.


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Bronc
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re: Sometimes a GMs hand is forced.
This poor play does look and feel different than years past.

Where not only was Gentry more emotionally involved(often showing real passion and anger about things besides foul calls) but the players seemed to be bought in and responsive in a way you just don't see this season.

I think the problem is that if you fire a coach mid-season it really sets you up poorly in the short and long-term.

One, you are basically stuck with the staff already on the team, or you are picking from a pool of people not currently in the league, then in the off-season, you risk losing that coordinator or if they slightly succeed, feeling obligated to give him further rope.

Let Gentry lead the tank and do it right in the offseason. It's tough, but this should be looked at on a 5-10 year horizon, not 1 season IMO.


BowDownToLSU
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re: Sometimes a GMs hand is forced.
I think Al is a good guy but a terrible coach. There has to be accountability for this embarrassment... he has to geaux


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Unknown_Poster
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re: Sometimes a GMs hand is forced.
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I think the problem is that if you fire a coach mid-season it really sets you up poorly in the short and long-term.

I'd argue that repeated performances like today do more damage in the short and long-term than firing/transitioning Gentry.
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supe12sta12z
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re: Sometimes a GMs hand is forced.
Worked out for the Raptors. If they don’t believe there’s a guy on the roster that can get the players to play like NBA players, then you’d have a point. I’d probably anoint Finch and see how he handles in-game coaching.


Bronc
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re: Sometimes a GMs hand is forced.
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I'd argue that repeated performances like today do more damage in the short and long-term than firing/transitioning Gentry.


I think there is a point where that may be true, and perhaps we are there, or getting close, but look at the 6ers.

As bad as it is right now, that team's culture was about as bad as anything in recent history during the heart of "The Process," but ultimately it was pretty easy to turn it around once talent, development, and coaching started to come together. The same could be said for the Kings, Suns, Lakers, and a number of teams.



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Bronc
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re: Sometimes a GMs hand is forced.
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Worked out for the Raptors. If they don’t believe there’s a guy on the roster that can get the players to play like NBA players, then you’d have a point. I’d probably anoint Finch and see how he handles in-game coaching.




And if he isn't the second coming? You risk losing one of the best offensive minds in the NBA because the only way to move on is to fire him. Or you continue to flounder and the toxicity worsens.

And despite some minor speculation, I have never really heard his name as obvious head coaching materiel. Though if Griffin and their scouts have confidence, I will trust it. Though so far his temperament and personality really seems best suited for a lead assistant role like a Ron Adams.

Whatever we speculate though, I suspect Griffin will give Gentry a healthy Favors and Zion before pulling any plugs.
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supe12sta12z
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re: Sometimes a GMs hand is forced.
We would lose him anyways dude. A new coach is going to bring in his guys from top to bottom. He’s as good as gone when Gentry leaves.


Bronc
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re: Sometimes a GMs hand is forced.
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We would lose him anyways dude. A new coach is going to bring in his guys from top to bottom. He’s as good as gone when Gentry leaves.




Not necessarily. There are currently a number of coaches we have that were part of the Monty regime.

I think it's a slightly better than 50% probability, but far from a guarantee. There is still going to be a ton of allure for a guy specializing in offenses built around unique big men to want to remain around to craft and defelop a system for the most exciting big since AD.


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TigerinATL
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re: Sometimes a GMs hand is forced.
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I think the problem is that if you fire a coach mid-season it really sets you up poorly in the short and long-term.


They will see this as a storm they need to weather. It's not just about pleasing the fans today, you also can't make every coach you're going to interview think you'll hang them out to dry as a scapegoat the minute something goes sideways. Unless you think Finch can do a much better job than Gentry, there's really no benefit to firing Gentry now.

And regarding keeping Finch, unless he thinks building an offense around Zion/Ingram pads his resume better than other opportunities, he probably needs to move on to advance his career. If they hire a new HC I expect Finch will be gone.
This post was edited on 12/7 at 5:18 pm


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