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re: Shooting Guard Options
Posted on 6/19/11 at 9:23 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/19/11 at 9:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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which they do. it's hard to lose money with an NFL franchise and a publicly-funded stadium
and they make a shite ton when they sell the franchise
E.g, Tom "We Woikin' to Win in Noo Wawlins and Git Off my Propty" Benson.
His purchase price in 1985 was, as I recall, around $85 million. The franchise is worth at least $800 million today. Probably more to the right buyer. Not a bad return.
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Posted on 6/19/11 at 9:26 am to corndeaux
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The key is who is going to assume the other 49.9? Not a ton of local options
There's the rub. I think it can be done, though, if the CBA is acceptable. I honestly think Stern's comments about the current business model being unworkable are serious. If they truly substantially transform that model, it could be good news for all small market franchises. I've said all along that Stern is serious about efforts to keep the Hornets in N.O. It's his test case.
Posted on 6/19/11 at 12:21 pm to VOR
i think the owners' goals are to reign in salaries, which means they want to establish rules to protect themselves from themselves (b/c the owners have fricked it all up much more than the players)
i do not think that they can adequately address the differences in big/small markets without killing the NBA
the NBA needs big market teams to be glamorous, popular, and successful
i do not think that they can adequately address the differences in big/small markets without killing the NBA
the NBA needs big market teams to be glamorous, popular, and successful
Posted on 6/19/11 at 12:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the NBA needs big market teams to be glamorous, popular, and successful
And a hard cap with one "overpaid" player can still deliver that. Usually the 2nd fiddle is just a 2nd fiddle. The Miami roster is unusual as is the Boston roster. That's the guy who's going to take a beating if the owners get what they want, the 2nd fiddles. They'd still get the biggest chunk of the hard cap, but right now they are usually able to get the same max deals as the franchise players. And the full MLE guys probably take a huge hit as well. There will be no more middle class in the NBA, just 2-3 haves per team and the rest have nots.
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Posted on 6/19/11 at 11:05 pm to TigerinATL
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The Miami roster is unusual as is the Boston roster.
and the LA roster (kobe, pau, bynum)
and the spurs roster (duncan, ginobili, parker)
and now the knicks (amare, melo, chauncey/trade replacement in a year)
and soon to be the OKC roster (durant, westbrook, perkins)
and was the suns roster (nash, amare, marion)
etc
the mavs are the outlier (and they have the 2nd highest fricking payroll in the NBA)
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That's the guy who's going to take a beating if the owners get what they want, the 2nd fiddles.
no...the MLE guys take the beating
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There will be no more middle class in the NBA, just 2-3 haves per team and the rest have nots.
i doubt this. the NBA won't want its product watered down like that. when has the US ever supported an NBA that didn't have glory teams playing well, with stars?
Posted on 6/20/11 at 7:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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i doubt this. the NBA won't want its product watered down like that. when has the US ever supported an NBA that didn't have glory teams playing well, with stars?
Unless you think they'd make a mass exodus to Europe it wouldn't be watered down, they'd just be making less. Lets say you get one Franchise Max salary and a $45 million hard cap. 2nd and 3rd fiddle get $9 (20%) and $7 (15%) million. Players 4 and 5 get $4.5 (10%) million. And then you're down to $20 million to fill 8 - 10 roster spots. That's an average of $2 million for non starters.
The problem with this is it still doesn't really protect owners from themselves. Okafor would probably have gotten a Franchise deal in Charlotte and then would have been untradeable. They really do need the shorter contracts almost more than they need a smaller cap.
Posted on 6/20/11 at 7:25 am to TigerinATL
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Unless you think they'd make a mass exodus to Europe it wouldn't be watered down, they'd just be making less
are the 3-6 guys on the big market teams going to take huge paycuts?
if they don't, then there will be parity and the game will be watered down. then people will stop watching again, nationally, and the NBA will be fricked, basically
the cap has to be large enough for teams like LA, NYC, CHI, etc to spend a lot of money
Posted on 6/20/11 at 8:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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are the 3-6 guys on the big market teams going to take huge paycuts?
Teams could always follow the Miami model and skimp on the bench. The numbers I laid out gave you $20 million for the bench. Only go with 12 players instead of 15 and only have 1 or 2 non scrub bench players and you could probably find another 10% or so to spread around to guys 3-6.
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there will be parity and the game will be watered down
No it won't. Parity in the NFL hasn't lead to the death of the dynasty, it just changes how you achieve it. The advantage shifts from the deep pocketed to the shrewd. There will still be good GMs and bad GMs. The Hornets this season were under the tax but had 2 $15 million contracts and a $12 million contract. Just imagine a better big money center than Okafor and whatever high priced SG you want instead of Peja. That's a contender.
Posted on 6/20/11 at 9:28 am to SlowFlowPro
Yes yes, we all know how terrible it would be for the NBA for mid and small market teams to be competitive or for teams to be able to retain their superstars.
Send them all to NY, LA, CHI, BOSTON, MIAMI. 6 team league! Woooooo!
Send them all to NY, LA, CHI, BOSTON, MIAMI. 6 team league! Woooooo!
Posted on 6/20/11 at 2:40 pm to TigerinATL
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Parity in the NFL hasn't lead to the death of the dynasty, it just changes how you achieve it. The advantage shifts from the deep pocketed to the shrewd. There will still be good GMs and bad GMs. The Hornets this season were under the tax but had 2 $15 million contracts and a $12 million contract. Just imagine a better big money center than Okafor and whatever high priced SG you want instead of Peja. That's a contender.
Posted on 6/20/11 at 2:59 pm to Fun Bunch
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Yes yes, we all know how terrible it would be for the NBA for mid and small market teams to be competitive or for teams to be able to retain their superstars. Send them all to NY, LA, CHI, BOSTON, MIAMI. 6 team league! Woooooo!
I think that is what's gonna happen. It's the new CBA!
Posted on 6/21/11 at 8:11 am to TigerinATL
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Parity in the NFL hasn't lead to the death of the dynasty,
the closest thing to this was the pats a few years ago. the NFL has a high turnover rate every year
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Just imagine a better big money center than Okafor and whatever high priced SG you want instead of Peja. That's a contender.
in a world with a hard cap around $50M, the hornets this past year would be a contender anyway
Posted on 6/21/11 at 8:11 am to Fun Bunch
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Yes yes, we all know how terrible it would be for the NBA for mid and small market teams to be competitive or for teams to be able to retain their superstars.
retaining your superstars won't be affected by the new CBA. if they want out, they'll get out
Posted on 6/21/11 at 2:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the closest thing to this was the pats a few years ago
If by closest thing you mean exact thing.
The clearly established parameters for dynasty qualification are 3 titles in a 10 year period. The Pats won 3 and should have had 4. Definitely an actual dynasty The Saints are set up to be the next dynasty. quote:
the NFL has a high turnover rate every year
The Niners dynasty decade saw 5 other teams win 7 titles. The Cowboys dynasty decade saw 6 other teams win 7 titles. Lots of turnovers during those dynasties too.
Stop being a lawyer and viewing every discussion as a battle to be won or lost. We're just talking here.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 3:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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retaining your superstars won't be affected by the new CBA. if they want out, they'll get out
I didn't mean turning superstars into slaves. I meant getting some kind of competitive balance where it was more likely for a small market team to be able to keep a superstar.
But don't worry about. We'll just make sure all of the small market teams are farm systems to the big boys. Any time a player gets good, Boston or LA or Miami can just call them up. Works perfect.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 3:45 pm to TigerinATL
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The clearly established parameters for dynasty qualification are 3 titles in a 10 year period.
i don't know if you're trying to be ironic or not
Posted on 6/21/11 at 3:47 pm to Fun Bunch
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I meant getting some kind of competitive balance where it was more likely for a small market team to be able to keep a superstar.
there is nothing milluake or sacremento can do to make stars want to stay in those cities
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We'll just make sure all of the small market teams are farm systems to the big boys. Any time a player gets good, Boston or LA or Miami can just call them up. Works perfect.
let's compare the ratings of finals involving the spurs vs those involving the lakers
Posted on 6/21/11 at 4:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i don't know if you're trying to be ironic or not
I'll grant you that Jordan and Kobe are much more dynastic in nature, but you said parity = watered down. The parity era Pats are every bit as dominant as the Bird Celtics, Showtime Lakers, Bad Boys Pistons, and Duncan Spurs. Will we see an all time great dominate half a decade or more under the new CBA? Probably not, but that's more on LeBron than parity created by the CBA.
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